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Everybody in this thread going like, "It was so obvious he was going to do this, how could they be so stupid?"
I'll tell you why: it's because the Democrats ran as border hawks. Remember when they were saying, "We're the ones who actually tried to pass a bill to crack down on immigration, but Trump blocked it." The Democrats actively downplayed the threat that Trump posed by trying to claim that he was all talk. They completely abandoned any argument like, "Trump wants to build a wall because he's racist," in favor of "We're the ones who actually want to build the wall." If you're saying that Latinos were "stupid" or whatever, what you're saying is that the Democrats were lying and it should've been obvious to Latinos that they were lying, and because it was so obvious they were lying, they should've voted for them. Which is an absolutely insane thing to say.
When you have two candidates fighting over who's going to be tougher on immigration, it's really not that surprising that people who might be affected by that issue don't vote based on that issue. And many Latinos have conservative cultural values. Absent a clear argument for vote against Trump, like that he's racist, that his talk about cracking down on "illegals" won't stop there, they voted based on other shit.
Of course, this reality is utterly unimaginable to the DNC, because it's taken as unquestionable dogma that the way to win votes is by moving to the right and appealing to the mythical centrist swing voter. The reality is that if you can draw this hard moral line, and stand by it, then you can convince people that you're actually going to protect their rights and that they should put aside other, less important concerns for the sake of defending this moral line. Even if that requires going out on a limb and adopting a more "extreme" position. Even now, there's a lot of silence coming from the centrist Dems when they ought to be shouting from the rooftops about this shit, because oh no, what if we alienate the three people in the country who actually liked Dick Cheney.
I fucking hate anybody who tries to pull this "leopards ate their face" bit about vulnerable minorities who were abandoned by both parties. Go fuck yourself. Legitimately, go fuck yourself. You don't get to stan a party that says, "Fuck you, vote for me," and then act all smug when people don't vote for them and get screwed over by the other side. Yeah, it was obvious they'd get screwed over by the other side, but your side was also promising to screw them over. Christ.
It's like you didn't read a single thing I said, most crucially the part where I tell people like you to go fuck yourselves.
I don't think Latinos are some stupid sub human group that can't be held accountable for their own decisions.
We should absolutely hold them responsible for voting against their own self interests.
Blaming voters for things instead of politicians and campaigns is completely backwards and unproductive. Even if it wasn't, I'm not going to blame them for taking the democrats at their word for what they were going to do. That's nonsense. If your campaign depends on people seeing through your lies and still voting for you, it's a stupid fucking campaign.
Trump's campaign said he would deport them.
That's what he campaigned on, deporting hispanics, and they voted for that.
Sorry, but that's a really stupid thing to do, and it should be pointed out to those stupid people.
Democrats also campaigned on deporting Hispanics, and even more Hispanics voted for the Democrats. I guess that's also a really stupid thing to do and should be pointed out to those stupid people?
I'm so sick of people trying to change the way entire demographics of people behave rather than trying to change the way one political party's leadership behaves. It's so fucking stupid that y'all waste your time trying to pressure literally millions of people to become unconditional supporters of the Democrats rather than trying to pressure the Democrats to adopt positions that would win them over. Like, however stupid you think it is for Hispanics to only vote for the deporter you like slightly more than the deporter you don't like, your approach here is like 10x stupider.
One person vs tens of millions of people, but since that one person is a member of the ruling class, we couldn't possibly criticize her or try to pressure her to change, no, that's not our place, our place is merely to ensure our peers are loyal to our rulers no matter what.
What an incredibly stupid comment. No, they did not campaign on "the opposite of building the wall." They literally said, we're the ones actually trying to build the wall, and Trump is blocking us because he's all talk. You are uniformed about this.
Accusing me of watching Fox News is also laughable. Fox News did not support the Democrats' narrative that they were border hawks, actually. Their position was always that the Democrats were soft on immigration, which they said was bad.
Senate Republicans block border security bill as they campaign on border chaos - NBC
The Biden Administration says it is using executive power to allow border wall construction in Texas - AP
Deportations by ICE jump to 10 year high in 2024, surpassing Trump-era peak - CBS
Biden pulls from Trump's immigration playbook in election year twist - CNN
Don't accuse me of being misinformed when you don't know shit.
Democrats wanted faster immigration processes to deal with the bottleneck at the border.
They wanted to let more people in.
You're a really dumb and malicious person.
I presented four sources to the other person that demonstrate that that's not true. Even if it were true, their messaging did not reflect it. They presented themselves as border hawks, indisputably, and you are either misinformed or lying if you deny it. I've backed my position up with evidence.
I read it. And it was fucking stupid. Writing 4 paragraphs doesn't make you right.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/04/20/most-latinos-say-u-s-immigration-system-needs-big-changes/
Your own source supports my position, lol.
Read further. I read sources I post. They're in favor of strengthened border protections
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportations-by-ice-10-year-high-in-2024-surpassing-trump-era-peak/