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The left and their goddamned labels and tribalism. We seem to have created our own odd form of ideological bigotry. It's no wonder we can't coalesce around the singular goal of rule by the proletariat, we're too busy arguing about methodology and tripping over our egos. I am a communist, that's it, no additional descriptor required.
??? Labels are necessary when distinguishing what path to follow and what not to. If we did not have a way to designate certain groups in a certain way (like opportunists being a danger to the proletariat's liberation movement), then it would simply make combating erroneous tendencies much more of a hassle.
It is fine if you do not want to use additional descriptors, but people will continue to label themselves because they fine the labels useful. Also, while communist as a descriptor is useful for general contexts (when specific details are not as important), when we have to look at what communists we should tell the proletariat to follow, saying that they should merely follow what is "communist" would group people with clear and sharp differences (anarchists vs. Marxists) under one umbrella when only one is correct, which would weaken the proletarian liberation movement not only by confusing the workers in regards to what way forward is correct, but it would also cause much grating to occur between communist camps attempting to accomplish different goals (imagine Marxists trying to come up with a functional state apparatus for workers while anarchists are fighting against the very idea of a state; meanwhile, also imagine that the proletariat on the sidelines are confused by the two communist camps fighting when they are both "communist").
In defense of labels and tribalism. Let's do nothing while we sort out which books to read and figureheads to follow. Makes us no better than a religion fracturing into sects.
...(imagine Marxists trying to come up with a functional state apparatus for workers while anarchists are fighting against the very idea of a state; meanwhile, also imagine that the proletariat on the sidelines are confused by the two communist camps fighting when they are both “communist”). Lenin and Trotsky managed to do it. The function of the state apparatus is a moot point until the current system is destroyed, which will take all of us momentarily acting as one.
Lenin labeling the communists that were telling the leaders to follow the workers instead of leading them (in "What is to be Done?") as those following tailism was an example of labeling that was useful; it allowed Lenin to point out a tendency that was harmful to the worker's movement and criticize it under a name. This is why labeling is important, and how it is not tribalism (criticizing an erroneous tendency is not tribalism).
I never disagreed with the final sentence about communist divisions not being as important before the establishment of a worker's state, but to ignore the time that will necessarily exist after they replace the capitalist system is to ignore the fact that communists cannot lead them under a unified set of goals when communists are not a homogenous group in the first place (terms in terms of methods of achieving communism and who they support). What then? The time after the momentary united front is important as well.
Your criticism of so-called tribalism is like the liberals arguing against violent action because it will "alienates those that are against violence"; it comes across as compromising principles for the sake of weak unity under the guise of not falling to tribalism. My argument does not support inaction, nor designating certain figureheads to follow; I merely say that this aversion to labels is an aversion to clearly criticizing wrong ideological trends and other things.
Lenin waged fierce ideological struggles against all manner of leftist strains that he considered to be wrong. He would 100% be accused of being sectarian today. But Lenin says (and Stalin agrees) that it was precisely that ideological struggle and refusal of the Bolsheviks to compromise on their Marxist principles or fall to opportunism that honed the Bolshevik line, steeled their party discipline, and let the Bolsheviks succeed where other more ideologically lax socialists in Europe failed.
Hell, that is basically what my former conservative professor criticized Lenin for: no freedom of speech within the party and a inability to agree with others. They would rather have him be some lazy person that did nothing to prevent the degradation of the party's values (which makes sense because they were conservative).
Two common and intertwined tactics used are the heightening of every weakness a communist figure has alongside the twisting of every strength the same figure has into sharp points to criticize.
This part is especially insidious because it pushes aspiring revolutionaries to self-sabotage and choose ineffectual weakness over strength because they have been tricked into believing that strength is morally reprehensible.
Every time that anti-communists throw accusations of "authoritarianism" at communists and at socialist states they do so in order to dissuade aspiring communists from emulating strategies that are exceptionally dangerous to capital because they have a track record of success. The more successful a socialist state is, the more its methods must be denounced as authoritarian and dictatorial. Ideological laxity, opportunism, revisionism are instead praised under the guise of "democracy" and "freedom of speech".
Socialists must not fall for this tactic and must not accept the framing pushed onto them by reactionaries, we must not apologize for or be quick to disavow the actions of socialist states under public pressure as soon as some shallow accusations are leveled at them and say things like "if we were in charge, we would be much better, we would not do all those terrible things", because that is already in itself an ideological retreat, a concession and capitulation to anti-communist narratives.
Yes, sometimes being "dictatorial" is exactly what is needed.
Mao Zedong, "On the People's Democratic Dictatorship"
Mindless unity and unprincipled compromise is not for the best:
Vladimir Lenin, "Unity"
Anti-communists will always seek to use liberal ideological-rhetorical weapons to deceive people:
Vladimir Lenin, "Deception of the People with Slogans of Freedom and Equality"
Well said, comrade. It is just disappointing to see communists that understand how capitalism is an exploitative system that does not benefit the oppressed strata of society, yet end up bending to the will of capitalist propaganda and doing exactly what you said: self-sabotaging to appeal to those that do not even appreciate them beyond being useful obstacle to principled application of communism. It is honestly like seeing a civil rights protestor listening to what a white supremacist has to say about the Civil Rights Movement in general and going: "Oh, you are right, I am not like those people that want to inflict violence against those that want to expel me from this country illegally, nor am I the type to desire taking over the entire country and establishing non-white supremacy" (the pattern here is that they are forced to keel to falsities like what the white supremacist would say about them so that they become "acceptable" propaganda to be used against their potential allies).