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[–] SooperGoose@thelemmy.club 3 points 13 hours ago

Capitalism cannot function without paying workers less than their labor is worth, thus creating "profit" margins for rich people to steal from

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 14 hours ago

Because those nursing aids aren't working on wealthy people. The circumstances of a worker is proportional to the level of threat and inconvenience it presents to the elite if they aren't in good shape.

We need more friction against the corporations, be it the implication of force, strikes, or quiet quitting.

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Should America's economic system be replaced in the future, a key thing to do is to eliminate most of the difference between the poorest and wealthiest. That would require standardizing incomes, capping wealth accumulation, workers voting for leadership, and using universal benefits such as free shelter and food to prevent coercive workplaces.

Our current economy is an creature that inherited the properties of feudalism, and wasn't explicitly designed to be good for civilization. Creating a whole new system with deliberate intent & mechanisms is the best path forward.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 14 hours ago

They get paid so awful drug addicts and gamblers are mostly doing that job. One that my family pays (i have no say in this) has wrecked two of the grandparents cars, stolen hundreds of dollars, and now us bringing their kids with them when they work. I’d rather be dead than used like that.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

So close yet so complete lack of critical thinking away.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

How have you been alive long enough to write this post but not see why? People exploit each other for power and wealth and so not care that they hurt people or the suffering they cause. Those best at that are the CEOs and senators and leaders of nations, the most powerful positions there are, are held by psychopaths, sadists and narcissists. They convince us all that fighting back is futile, immoral or illegal. We could topple it all and every day we choose to get a latte and spend another 9 hours grinding away our time on this earth just to stay alive.

It's all a fucking scam by rich ppl who are the most capable of the worst kinds of human beings.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like some surplus value generated from labour is being extracted by the people owning the means of production

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think this is the first time i heave read an entire sentence written in corporo-management-speak that has made sense logically without falling in a hole of words that 'mean nothing but sound business'.

[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

That’s commuspeak not corpospeak, as in, it is a central tenet of communism

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 5 hours ago

Fair enough mate, it all just sounds like a zoom/teams meeting nightmare to me

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It's economics jargon either way (this sentence, not Das Kapital as a whole lol)

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You don't understand, the CEO needs a lot of money, to bribe cops when he rapes children.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nursing homes are often owned by investment trusts who have to pay out to their investors based on profits, so the managers of the trust take it upon themselves to outsource the maintenance, management, and labor to other entities they control. At a healthy upcharge, the menials who perform the tasks associated are not even an afterthought. They work for a faceless corporation that is puppeteered by the same people who own the nursing home, who rents it's facility from a real estate trust they also own, allowing them to extract as much value as possible from each level of the operation while limiting liability.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Worked in them for about 7 years.

You are correct.

We had one where could never get ANY supplies 1 year in despite a 25k lump sum buy in by residents. even before paying month to month rent.

My expeince is management will play the "heroes work here" type behavior and take advantage of people's passion for elderly to then underpay then and mistreat them to the degree they do.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why don't good people start nursing homes

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 18 hours ago

They're run out of business if they even start. Otherwise it has to be a non-profit, which is reliant on fundraising and outside funding.

Remember the people running these are the landlords. Owners of commercial properties and the only entities with resource rights to able to develop. You know: the same entities that have been capable for generstions, but unwilling, to construct adequate housing.

This is what they build instead.

The daycare analysis is a bit different: that's mostly just sheer insurance liability. Childcare centers need so much licensing and insurance, so it's mostly done by backyard operations and church basements.

[–] spock@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It takes enormous capital as property prices are high due to real estate speculation (the priority with real estate is not use but financial value), regulatory capture (excessive regulations are pushed by the largest companies to make it impossible to start a competitive business), and high insurance costs (very appealing to the biggest investors as they mean the largest investors can be self insured).

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like half these problems would be fixed if everyone woke up and unionized. Corpos would have no leverage left.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The Pinkerton agency has entered the chat.

If you're curious, yes they're still around, yes they're still doing it, and they're owned by Securitas now.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

Vocational Awe

There are certain jobs that people really want to do. No matter how little the job pays, there will be people willing to do that job. Often these are the most important jobs.

That's not a good match for a purely capitalist system where someone can't survive on their salary. Unions are one way to fight this. Traditionally nurses had strong unions, but these days no union seems to be particularly strong. The other way is for the government to get involved and say that certain jobs are important enough that they get special exemptions from the purely capitalist system. That could mean different minimum wages, special tax exemptions, or all kinds of other things.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Boomers built an economy based around raping the wealth and futures of their children, to fund their retirement.

They consistently voted for politicians and policies that would benefit themselves at the expense of everyone else, in basically every economic sector.

Of course they don't pay their orderlies well either.

That would mean their 401ks wouldn't go up by as much.

Only now that the most grotesque frontman conceivable is helming the logical conclusion of their mindset turned into policy, are they starting to regret it all.

The pathological narccisist gerontocracy society.

Healthcare is the only sector with actual job growth now.

Everything else is collapsing.

The turned the entire country into basically a big retirement home supercomplex that you can't opt out of.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

What's not to understand? The owning class owns the facilities and sets both the prices and the wages, and they will do this in the way that maximally benefits themselves, i.e., maximizes profits. It's a really, really basic feature of capitalism (yes, also whatever super duper special unicorn flavor of capitalism you think works better than "crony" capitalism).

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[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My friend was the director of a daycare, and she's leaving because she works 60 hour weeks, has no help from above, and her pay is literally canceled out by sending her kids to camp over the summer. And obviously they won't pay her more. And she's the head of the daycare. It's insane.

[–] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's because private equity capitalists took over daycares, nursing homes, funeral services, and veterinary clinics. They're leeches on even the most indispensable aspects of society.

[–] LeonineAlpha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Just based on the outrageous "strata" fees on "owned" lots for pre-fab/trailer parks (not the rental pad lots, totally different(same?) Story)

More per month just to get your (wife's, ass) grass mowed than to maintain my ancient building....

Private Equity got anywhere you could move also

[–] GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its nearly time for a general strike

[–] LeonineAlpha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nearly??? So long overdue!!!

In the 1980s when Regean fired all unionized Air-Traffic-Control and replaced them using the military. USA workers did nothing, and that's when they lost the game folks! THAT was the moment, do or die, national general strike or.. They COULD still knock over the table and walk out of the casino.... any day now... in the last 40 years... maybe tomorrow... day after?...

PS Some kids cutting class on a Friday or Monday every 3 months is NOT a general strike!

The USA general population has been an insult to the entire world history of resistance and protest, since the late 1960s, so fuck you very much for abandoning your watch and dooming us all, you weak ass-hats.

[–] GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

It was the boomers who sold us out to Ronnie Rayguns and the Heritage pricks, then beat compliance into us.

Its a slow process, but people are coming around.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 189 points 2 days ago (29 children)

Daycare is a crazy one. Insanely expensive, yet the workers are damn near indentured servants.

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's honestly a major contributor to the labor shortage. For anyone with a decent job, it's significantly cheaper for the spouse to just stay home until the kids are old enough to take care of themselves.

[–] nutcase2690@lemmy.dbzer0.com 131 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Don't let the media force you to twist your words-- it is not a labor shortage, but a wage and cost of living crisis.

"Nobody wants to work anymore" == "I pay so shitty wages that no one can even afford to come work for me."

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

What's funny in a sad-not-haha way, is that labor for caretaking of small human beings is the enormous untenable driving cost here.

Parents can't afford the rates, daycares can't afford living wages for the caretakers. This is an endeavor, like many, that the Hand of the Market(TM) is OBVIOUSLY unsuitable for solving.

The "funny" part: Parents would gladly do this job for free as they have for centuries and millennia. This problem was already solved, and wouldn't be an issue if every member of the household wasn't forced into full-time 40+ hour work plus hunting for side-hustles, and being taken away from their loved ones for most of their waking friggin lives, just to survive.

How many generations deep are we now? Where so many kids spend so long in daycare from infancy that they never even get to form a decent bond with their own parents? How healthy is that, for anybody, much less larger society?

"Parenting as a Service" is peak capitalistic hellscape...

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[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I agree with you - if you need to pay someone a full time wage to go out and earn a full time wage, the sum will be nearly zero. The same issue applies for long term care facilities where a team of multiple specialized providers is needed to care for someone around the clock. The assumption that care should be cheap implies that care work is less valuable than whatever the worker themself does.

Much like mail delivery, daycare and elder care would be better as publicly funded services. They can’t necessarily turn a profit, but still need to exist for the betterment of society

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A job that requires wiping bums at any age should be very well paid.

There was a nurse in my province who killed eight nursing home residents at her job. She just enjoyed doing it. What a tragedy, to have someone use their power over you to kill you when you are most vulnerable.

[–] LeonineAlpha@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

(As far as we know)Women are a very small % of psycho(or-any-type?)killers. Like shabby mass (violent) slaughter attempts is absolutely a mostly-male thing

BUT

The tiny % of female psycho killers is mostly all elderly/disabled care, and when convicted 10s-100s of kills. And thats what an official thinks its easy to prove to a dead-beat-jury, so truth be told, some of those gals did 100s or 1000s!!!

So the rare "Venus-Libertina" of infrequent-occurence yet maximum-slaughter does indeed put men to shame

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

For the paycheck thing: the daycare takes the parent's entire paycheck because daycare is so expensive because the working class hasn't gotten a raise in almost 20 years. Providers need the second job because inflation is so high because people are getting what they voted for.

[–] rexxit@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

All this boils down to is that there is nothing more expensive than first-world human labor. Without a doubt, nursing homes are increasingly run by sleazy profiteers, but the reason you can't easily do better (i.e. find a high-quality nursing home) is because it's simply expensive to employ enough people, who have sufficient skill and work ethic, to give the elderly care.

Yes, PE in healthcare is destroying the country in every imaginable way. The answer in this case is more complicated than get the for profit companies out of nursing homes, which is necessary but not sufficient to solve the problem. The scariest thought is that there may be no good solution.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 2 days ago (4 children)

As a nursing aide, it's because not enough of us are unionized.

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[–] HrabiaVulpes 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

If you can afford it, it will be exactly that expensive.

When government of my country passed a bill that gives monthly payouts of X per child to parents who both work and have at least one child, all daycare centers in the country raised their prices by X next month citing inflation.

Supply and demand do not set the price, when people have no choice but to buy anyway.

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[–] texture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

i work in a nursing home, but im afraid i'll not be able to afford to die in one.

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