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Zionists are way more powerful. It's not even close.

What I dislike about it is the infantilising of our own governments and the conspiratorial nature of the accusations. Also, anyone using white-nationalist talking points deserves to be side-eyed untill they prove otherwise

Infantilising: Our governments are quite capable of being shit on their own. Them taking bribes and acting accordingly is not an argument they are occupied. No one says their government is occupied by BP, or Marlborough, it's called 'corruption'. This, I think, is my strongest point. This seeming double standard that when it comes to Zionism they call it 'occupied', but for other forms of bribes it's just corruption. America wasn't labeled 'Russian occupied' while trump was acting in their interests. Our governments are corrupt, not occupied. Corruption not occupation is more explanatory so a better insight of how our governments will/behave/d. You kick out AIPAC, good job you treated a symptom of the disease but America is still sick. Everywhere, in every argument, you'll see people distracting from the Epstein class, zog is merely one of them.

Conspiratorial nature: life isn't as simple as one puppet master pulling the strings. Our governments are a series of individuals acting accordingly, this tendency to over simplify leads people to - gestures at other conspiracies.

I don't think I need to justify why people using white nationalist talking points do not deserve the benefit of the doubt, they deserve suspicion. They can overcome that suspicion, but they deserve it, stop quacking if you don't want people to think your a duck. We can talk about Israel's genocide, and it is a genocide they are committing and we are supporting, without the nazi rhetoric. I encourage anyone to stop using white nationalist tropes, lest they wish to invite white nationalists - see meme

I don't identify as Jewish but am (based on genetic website) 19% Ashkenazi by heritage. As an atheist I used to (mistakenly) believe the conflicts in the middle east were religious in nature and it took me awhile to realize it was about land, power, and oppression. Once I came to that realization a couple decades ago, everything I've seen since has peeled back layer upon layer of false assumptions which I believe are intentionally injected into the public consciousness. For one, I dislike this term antisemitism. The Israelite's were not the only Semitic peoples, and the descendants of those peoples are dispersed primarily in the area of Lebanon and Palestine. A very large percentage of modern Jews on the other hand (like myself) hail from European origins. The genetics have been traced and show that by in large, the Jews who emigrated to Europe were men, and mated with European females before then interbreeding once they had sufficient populations. Point being, I don't think its reasonable to describe anti-Jewish attitudes as anti-Semitic, especially when some of the worst things being done to actual Semitic people are being done BY Jews. Further, and regardless of what you call it, the most damage being done to Jews in the world today is done by the so-called state of Israel. How many more people will be attracted to anti-Jewish messages after baring witness to the horrors inflicted upon the people of Palestine? How much damage does this do to the "soul" of those Jews in Israel? It's not healthy to harbor such evil, its a cancer that attacks outwardly but also destroys itself internally.

So, for me I prefer to say anti-Jewish (just like I would say anti-Islamic or anti-Christian.) The distinction of Zionism I believe is important because there are many Christian Zionists, and as you've mentioned, its Zionists in particular who want to promote the idea that Israel == Jewish and Jewish == Israel. In my mind, I see Zionists as truly anti-Semitic & anti-Jewish.

Does it? If a loudspeaker is pushing a madness through its coils that drives animals mad is the solution to change the structure of animal behavior or turn the loudspeaker off so it can never make animals fall to madness again?