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[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

'Murica, fuck yeahhhh!

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I genuinely think that in some third world countries, as part of the middle class, you can have a better life than in the USA.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (21 children)

Logically, it's not about how much money you make, it's about purchasing power. It is irrelevant if you earn only $400 a month when you can eat well for $1 and pay $100 for your housing, you have free health care and education. That is the reality in some third world countries.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can confirm, as a insured I am paying $0.00 for Insulin in Macedonia. Now I am receiving 6 Novo Nordisk Tresiba pens per month. How much is that in US?

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember Remember the 4th of December

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Making an AI meme of Luigi as a Saint is one thing.

Making a painting and having it casually displayed in your room is a whole other level.

Also, I can't believe it's already been a year.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Yea I guess but my mom was destroyed by our cruel and heartless system. She’s gone now but painting this helped me reconnect with the glimmer of hope we all felt for a moment after this happened. It also helped process the trauma I myself went through as her caregiver not being able to access what she needed

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 123 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I’m not diabetic and the situation with insulin fills me with a white hot rage.

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[–] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 205 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Meanwhile, 10 euros per vial here in Europe. At least his original plan for widespread and easy availability has partially succeeded.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 136 points 2 days ago

In civilized countries at least.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Even worst, my dog got it for free from the public vet university for years. They even gave us the syringes. It's the same human insulin and my dog got it for free. Guess his plan worked better than he thought... only no in the us

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In brazil 36 reais (about 6 euro). The US is a joke. (And im 99% sure you can also get it for free if you use the public health network)

[–] mika_mika@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago

I have mental health disabilities in the USA and my meds are at zero cost because I literally have had absolute zero income for the past 5 years.

You wouldn't believe how much those mood stabilizer/antidepressant cocktails stack up proportionally when I was able to scrape by on $15 an hour.

The system set me up to fail with how shitty it is, if healthcare wasn't crap I could be contributing to society without crippling myself.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

Free on the NHS in the UK. In fact, diabetes is one of the conditions that qualifies people for free prescriptions across the board.

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[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 99 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you talk about killing the few people like these that are the root cause of all these problems, you're a terrorist. You go to jail

These people actually kill people by the thousands, millions, and we call them smart CEO's and celebrate them 🥂

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 56 points 2 days ago

Free Luigi.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sold the patent for $1, that's so Canadian.

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[–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 140 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Canadians: invented drug and patent it freely

Americans: Finds way to kill the most people possible while making the most amount of money

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, the killing isn't the point; they're the product. Its just that profit is God, so killing in its name is justified.

Killing poors for the joy of it? That's just an evil bonus.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago

Invented by a Canadian, exploited by an American.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] macncheese@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (12 children)

California is contracting its own insulin supply and it'll be available for $11 a pen starting Jan 1, 2026. I know not every state can or are willing to do this but just throwing out some examples and hopefully optimism to somehow fight the American decline from within it. We're in a unique position as our state economy is larger than most countries but I am hopeful we will throw our weight around to counter the bs. https://www.chhs.ca.gov/blog/2025/10/17/governor-newsom-announces-affordable-calrx-insulin-11-a-pen-will-soon-be-available-for-purchase/

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Is there any reason a diabetic has to get the newer patented formulas instead of the old one that the pic talks about which is regularly sold for around $25 a vial in the US without insurance?

I know the new stuff works faster and you don't have to worry about your diet as much so I'm sure it's much easier, but why would you have to die instead of just managing your diet and using the $25 stuff for a month in this emergency situation?

Don't get me wrong all medicine should be free and stuff but like, why die instead of switching to the cheap stuff and dietary management for a month?

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Insulin is not permanently shelf stable, and will still expire in the fridge.

Diabetics usually start with a long-acting insulin to keep blood sugar from naturally rising plus a fast-acting insulin for corrections and to compensate for food.

The old style of just giving 2 long-acting shots of mixed insulin is mostly obsolete, except for legacy patients, some pregnant patients, and other special cases I can only theorize.

A good number of diabetics only use fast acting insulin in a pump, receiving microdoses every minute.

To switch brands of insulin, much less therapies in any circumstance requires a doctor's visit.

With all that said, the insurance company will often replace a medication in the event of an accident, typically only once a year.

Without that, a patient might be able to find a charity they will assist them.

You also may be able to travel to the next state over where the cost of insulin is regulated.

Failing all other options, it is better to check yourself in to the hospital as your sugar begins to rise and tell them that you cannot control your blood sugar.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don't think I ever had insurance in the US where checking into the hospital for any amount of time would cost less than $800 out of pocket.

Unless I had already reached my annual deductible, that is.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Unless I had already reached my annual deductible, that is.

"Hey good news! After about 35% of your annual income is spent on medical bills on top of your triple digit monthly premiums... That health insurance starts to kick in!"

(Until it resets at the end of the year. Teehee!)

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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The old formulas you can buy OTC for $25 are more inconvenient to use, but will indeed keep you from dying. The main difference between the R insulin and Novolog/Humalog are how quickly they act. Novolog starts lowering your glucose in about 60 minutes while the R takes 2 hours. Dietary management is not related to which insulin you’re using, at least for type 1. The long acting substitute, NPH, is a lot more difficult to use than Lantus though. It still works. I ran out of good insulin on a trip last year and had to sub the R and NPH and did have some issues with hypoglycemia. I’m more qualified to swap them on my own than many people though (lots of people are not informed enough to change their dosage without professional medical advice).

So yes, the claim that OOP’s only alternative to paying $800 was to die is not true.

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 72 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (26 children)

I wonder if all the sane Americans did a mass exodus to Canada, Europe, UK, Australia etc, what effect that would have

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of us would need financial sponsorship. So there'd be a literal financial drain on those economies.

I still would like to sign up.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Not if you stayed, then it’s an investment. Money doesn’t just disappear when goes to poor people, they use it to buy things like food and stuff. It would only be a financial drain if you were sending that money back home.

The North American mind cannot comprehend the benefits of supporting the poor.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Were I am, you just get Insulin for free with a prescription from you Family Doctor, because we have a National Health Service.

Even without said prescription, it's only €70.

Americans are being thoroughly screwed, and it's very much on purpose thanks to the way laws and regulations around Healthcare were designed in the US (and, at the risk attractint the crowd throwing "bothsideism" slogans around to defend "their" "tribe", this is due to the actions of both US major parties) since in a real Free Market, Insuline over there should cost around the same as it costs over here without a prescription, not 10x more - without artificial market barriers there would be investors literally flying planeloads of the thing from Europe to US to make a killing out of buying it cheaply over here and selling it for "merelly" twice as much over there.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 42 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Naive question from a european: Aren't there companies on the market who can offer a cheaper price and therefore beat greedy competitors?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 106 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

the problem is that there is natural (as in, unmodified) cheap generic insulin available, it's just that it sucks compared to everything else. you see, insulin is a peptide that is supposed to appear, do some signalling, then disappear and unmodified insulin copies this thing exactly. the problem is, most of the time when peptide is supposed to work as a pharmaceutical, you don't want to do that, you'd like insulin to last longer than usual, which means changes to it that make breakdown slower, or adding something that makes it stick to albumin, which has similar effect because it hides insulin somewhere enzymes can't reach it and also it makes it start acting slower. this means less frequent dosing and less changes in insulin activity over time. there are also other insulins that start acting faster than natural, and this is also due to a couple of modifications in its structure

for another example, ozempic was not the first drug in its class, it's also a modified peptide, and it can be injected s.c. once a week, compared to previous iteration (liraglutide) that requires daily injections. if natural peptide is injected i.m. instead, its halflife is half an hour, and in serum it's only two minutes (it gets released a bit slower than it is metabolized)

manufacturing costs are about the same for any variant, most of it is in purification. patents for a couple of these have expired anyway by now, but if manufacturing is limited then price can be set arbitrarily high (see daraprim)

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Oh wow, an actual nuanced response and genuine answer!

Also today I learned!

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