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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA. If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.

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[–] percent@infosec.pub 83 points 3 days ago (23 children)

This is the first thing I've ever disliked about Switzerland (not that I know a lot about the country).

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 201 points 3 days ago (19 children)

You've not heard of shady banking, Nazi gold, reluctance to stop dealing with Russia, women not being able to vote until the 70s, and Nestle?

Switzerland gets aggressively simped for online, and there's certainly some nice things about them, but there's also some pretty awful things.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I meant current times, not in the past. Sorry, I assumed that would be obvious. There are also some things I like about Germany, though they have a pretty terrible past.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

The Nazi gold is still very much a thing. And the descendants of Jewish people who died in concentration camps are often unsuccessful in reclaiming any wealth that was stored in Swiss banks, because they don't have death certificates and what not. Switzerland is incredibly stubborn and selfish when it comes to anything that would tarnish their neutral stance in banking and politics.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nazi gold didn't disappear after the Nazis fell. They still pocketed it all, despite knowing where all that wealth came from, and did fuck all to help rebuild Europe.

Other things like their appeasing attitude towards Russia, reluctance to allow weapons exports to Ukraine, and willingness to export weapons to awful regimes are all unambiguously current.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Huh. On the surface, they don't sound very neutral on the weapons stuff 😕. TIL. I wonder what their underlying reasoning for this is

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Money, it's always money...

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