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[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I agree and disagree.

Yes, we will have an easier time infiltrating the DNC, but we should never forget that they are not on our side and will fight against us getting in as much as they can. We should still try, but have our eyes open as well.

Yes, we definitely should practice harm reduction and vote for neoliberals when the alternative is fascists. The part we really need to focus on (short term) is actually getting people to pay attention to and care about the primaries. Too many of us feel hopeless and skip that step. It's just as important as elections, if not more so. But again- we absolutely have to realize that our enemy when it comes to the primaries is the DNC, not the GOP. They have swore under oath that they believe they have the right to influence and manipulate primaries to get Neolibs on the ballot and keep progressives/leftists off, and the court agreed they had that right. It's their policy to do so. We simply cannot rely on their help and need to come up with strategies to work around their meddling and interference.

This meme is a continuation of the accelerationism we saw during the 2024 election.

I don't believe it is. You can still believe in and practice harm reduction, while having a realistic understanding of the situation at the same time. The DNC and GOP literally control the elections. and while it is possible we can sneak a few progressives and leftists past them, we will very likely never be able to take it over completely. They will NEVER vote to end the two party system, it makes them too powerful.

Our best hope is to get as many leftists into the DNC as we possibly can, while at the same time building momentum and support for a viable 3rd party coalition of everyone on the left. It's also critical we focus on educating the public and combating the billionaire owned mainstream media. We also have to build a network of local mutual aid communities that can serve all of those goals, while showing people that an alternative is not only possible, but preferable to relying on the system.

Once a critical mass of support has been gained, all of the DNC infiltrators can exit for the Left party en masse, not only weakening the DNC, but truly highlighting the differences between the two. At that point the tables will have been turned and people who vote D will be taking away votes from the L's and allowing the fascists to win.

I believe that is the only way to get an actual viable alternative to the DNC. Like the meme says we will not be able to reform it. Our only hope is to get asses in seats in Congress and force through election reform. IF we can manage to get rid of the first past the post style voting, and end the electoral college, then we would never again have to worry about voting for the lesser evil. That should be our number 1 long term goal.

I think going from recognizing that the Democrats will never be reformed to that means we won't vote for them over fascists and even worse that makes us pro- fascist is a hell of a stretch- and reporting memes that point out the truth is madness.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The OP publicly claimed to not have voted for Harris. Reform in the meme is referring to the kind of strategies we are proposing. Look at the OP's post and comment history if you don't believe me.

I've been paying attention and OP worked tireless to sink Harris and Walz during the last election. It wasn't criticism, OP just wanted them to fail. The OP doesn't want the Democrats to improve. The OP wants us to hurry up and all die. That's the madness of accelerationism.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well I agree with you that is stupid. But that doesn't mean the meme itself is wrong, a stopped clock and all that.

I don't want Democrats to die, I want them to learn compassion and empathy, I just see no indication that it's ever going to happen but it doesn't mean I wont try.

If Democrats expect more leftists to vote for them, then they are simply going to have to start at least pretending to care about some of the same things we do and stop blocking leftist/progressive candidates from the primaries.

I may not agree with OP's strategy, but I understand it. Biden was a ghoul. Harris was a ghoul. It made me sick to vote for them. That doesn't make me pro-fascist.

Well I agree with you that is stupid. But that doesn’t mean the meme itself is wrong, a stopped clock and all that.

Lol. It's good to know people upvoted this meme because they misunderstood it.

I may not agree with OP’s strategy, but I understand it. Biden was a ghoul. Harris was a ghoul. It made me sick to vote for them. That doesn’t make me pro-fascist.

You don't have to like Democrats. I don't.

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