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Overview:

  • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
  • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
  • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
  • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
  • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
  • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They have no business collecting any data in the first place. If I wanted my data collected I'd be using Chrome like everyone else. I'm not choosing to use their buggy ass inferior and slower browser for any of Mozilla's services, I'm choosing it because I want to support non-Chromium browsers and regain my privacy.

There's no point whatsoever to using Firefox if it's just a worse Chrome.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Telemetry benefits everyone, knowing which features are getting used, knowing what parts are causing crashes... It lets developers target what to improve and fix instead of going in blind. I get that collecting data can be scary, because so far everyone has been busy selling that data. But there's a reason why data is so valuable, if it's properly handled and anonymized it benefits everyone using firefox.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago

It lets developers target what to improve and fix instead of going in blind.

I'm sure they'll make do

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No, fuck that and quit bootlicking. Software makers did just fine without telemetry for decades; your supposed justification is nothing but a bullshit lazy excuse.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Software makers did just fine without telemetry for decades

They actually did not, almost every software out there is mining your information. Software developers rely on and need data, you can't guess what people want. Whether it's from studies, testers, surveys, or telemetry, developers need information about what users like, what they don't, how they interact with the software... This is what makes data so valuable, and why businesses like Google can exist. Denying open source software telemetry is shooting yourself in the foot.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

. Software developers rely on and need data, you can't guess what people want.

Why would I want software developers (particularly web browser) to guess what I want? I will tell them what I want, otherwise they have no business serving it to me.

If I'm not offering that data, it means I don't want you to have it. Simple as that.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

That's good and I'm genuinely glad they're trying to clarify it, but it proves yet again that their top management is out of touch with reality and their users: somebody (most likely more than one person actually) had to sign off on these changes and the message they sent out - this whole thing could have been avoided if they understood their users better (and/or if they actually cared nore about what users think).

[–] justlemmyin@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ruh roh. Too late though.

Friendship ended with Firefox,❎ Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I've already moved most of my stuff to forks or different software altogether.

Firefox -> LibreWolf and Waterfox

Thunderbird -> Evolution

I'm still trying to decide if I want to move off k9mail on mobile to something else. I probably will but I'm not sure what at this point.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

I thought Thunderbird was a separate entitiy from Mozilla these days? And K-9 isn't owned by Thunderbird either? Am I mistaken?

[–] based_raven@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's the alternative for Android? Fuck Chrome I want to move off this shit onto something that actually gives half a shit about me.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 5 months ago

Boy have i got a treat for you, Ironfox! the continuation of Mull

https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 5 months ago

they were effectively owning everything you fo in firefox, how is that nothing

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 5 months ago

this is them rolling it back cause of the outcry, they don't want to admit it worked