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[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The highest marginal tax rate for income earners is over 50%. And it takes effect at much lower incomes than other comparable countries.

Increasing the GST would cause double taxation, as people who earnt money at a higher income tax rate then spend that money at a time when there's a higher consumption tax.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago

Increasing GST during a cost of living crisis would also just be insane. It ends up being a bigger burden on the poor than the rich. Increasing the cost of a shop at the supermarket right now would not go down well with the electorate.

[–] HalfEarthMedic@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The highest marginal tax rate for income earners is over 50%. And it takes effect at much lower incomes than other comparable countries.

In Australia? The highest marginal tax rate is 45%, and due to the nature of progressive taxation unless you have an absurdly high income most of the income of even high earners is taxed at a lower rate.

Source: I am in the top tax bracket and until recently did my own taxes

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

45% income tax, plus 2% Medicare levy, plus the incremental tax added as you move from no div 293 to full div 293. Plus you're paying 10% GST on the things you buy. When you add all these together, earning an extra $100 can net you less than $50. You can see it when you play around with paycalculator.com.au

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

58.57% tax rate per my calculations. That's not including GST.

[–] HalfEarthMedic@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not going to spend my afternoon doing calculations to prove my point as what is required is doing the same calculations for other nations, the number you're quoting is not what is meant by marginal tax rate for a start but the linked article provides the context needed.

Again, I have been in the top tax bracket for around a decade and have never paid more than 40% of my taxable income in tax without an accountant

Australia has lower sales taxes, lower income taxes, no requirement for private or employee provided health insurance. It is straightforwardly untrue that Australia is high taxing. Even if it were true then the level of public services provided would make it worthwhile.

Maybe the top tax rate kicks in lower but the tax free threshold is also higher than in most countries which is the correct balance.

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Marginal tax rate is the tax rate you pay on each additional dollar earnt. The fact that the Australian government hides some of the taxes doesn't mean you don't pay them or that they're not part of the marginal tax rate.

[–] stib@aus.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@DavidDoesLemmy
But you're only paying that tax on the income above the threshold for that tax bracket. Rich people, and their dupes whinging about Australia's "high taxes" can get in the bin.
@HalfEarthMedic

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago

Yes, I understand. My comment was about marginal tax rate. It is true that marginal tax rate can go up to 58%

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] CoolThingAboutMe@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

75000/255000 < 30%

This is disproving your 58% claim above

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

You're confusing effective tax rate with marginal tax rate.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The highest marginal tax rate for income earners is over 50%. And it takes effect at much lower incomes than other comparable countries.

I'm interested which countries?

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Australia has tax take effect at much lower rates than Australia?

[–] DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Oh sorry. Compared to USA at least. The top tax bracket starts much lower in Australia