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Until now this would have been a stupid question - this is my home. But we're in a strange timeline. My background is I was born in the UK, met first husband, married, got green card, that went tits up, divorced, met husband 2, found forever love, married, naturalized in 2021. Have my passport and everything.

It's my dad's birthday, and he lives in the UK. I want to go back and celebrate, but I'm nervous about reentry into the US. I naturalized during the Biden presidency, and I am a Democrat, I feel nervous that I have a target on my back. I have a home and pets here. Am I ridiculous for worrying or should I be cautious about leaving right now?

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Italy and Ireland were like the last two countries that you could claim citizenship through great-grandparents, but I think Italy just ended it this year.

thanks for posting this, it's the first I've heard of maybe a US citizen being deported.

I'm looking into related posts to find corroboration and explanation for the term "parole" used here.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's the first I've heard of maybe a US citizen being deported.

It's been happening for years. From the Washington Post:

The U.S. government does not release data on how often ICE wrongfully detains or deports U.S. citizens. But investigations by media outlets, research institutes and oversight agencies have revealed that ICE has arrested, detained, deported and issued detainers — requests to local jails to hold a person in custody — for thousands of citizens since the agency was created in 2003. One 2011 study estimated that roughly 1 to 1.5 percent of deportees are U.S. citizens.

https://archive.is/20250411190043/https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/05/us-citizens-deported-immigration/

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks, I meant intentional deportations of US citizens.

[–] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nothing says they weren’t intentional.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

nothing says they were.

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I read itsly "ended" it, but it's not confirmed permanent yet, there will be a vote 60 days after march 28 to make it permanent. Their new restrictions are pretty extreme though. I would expect the vote to not pass, but some other version of this will get passed at some point.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

It's literally a fascist government, what do you expect. They were fairly moderate until Trump's election basically gave them permission to go nuts.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh shoot I just thought they got rid of the "great" part and you can still become a citizen if you have italian grandparents, what are the new restrictions?

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

got it.

as far as I'm aware, it's just the "great" part that changed. it's not so much that Italian immigration laws have become overly restrictive as they were so broad before as to proving Italian heritage.

The current Italian citizenship restrictions are still a great deal easier than most other countries.

basically, as long as you have a parent or grandparent who is an Italian citizen or became one, you can become an Italian citizen also by filling out a form.

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should read the first link

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

that's the article I was originally referencing and then referenced again.

did you understand that article differently than how i've summarized it?

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Under the new regulations, applicants must have at least one Italian parent or grandparent to apply under jus sanguinis. They must also demonstrate Italian language proficiency, which was previously only needed for naturalization through residency or marriage. The proficiency test is a five-part state exam held several times a year, or a higher level equivalency test for those not living in Italy.

At the moment applicants do not have to be currently living in Italy, but do need to have previously lived in the country for three years to be eligible.

Italian language proficiency, prior Italian residency for 3 years, those are both new as well.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think language proficiency is a new requirement, but good to know, thanks.

The residency I'm pretty sure is new, it used to be 10 years for citizenship through residency.

I'm curious to see if this new law will get ratified.

thanks!

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Those are both new... I've been tracking this and collecting my own documents for some time. But if you can't be bothered to read or search for yourself I'm going to stop engaging with you. Thanks for playing.

[–] choss@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Varyk is correct, the cnn article has errors. Currently there is no language requirement in DL 36/2025, and the only residency requirement is to live there for 2 years before the birth or adoption of a child to pass citizenship on, if your parents weren't born there. DDL 1450 is a proposed amendment that, in part, would allow minor children to fulfill the 2 year residency themselves, and (I believe) if they are no longer a minor, 3 years

Here is an english translation of DL 36/2025. The actual text of the decree is near the bottom

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

The thread started out talking about citizenship through great grandparents, which to me sounded a whole lot like claiming citizenship through jure sanguinis. This is what the two links I posted were about. Then halfway through he started talking about residency, which, sure, probably has different requirements. But he never clarified anything or sought to source any claims, so... hard to talk to people that just hand wave and declare they're right.

I haven't looked deeply enough into it to see where cnn sourced their information as I'm not that far into my process yet to need to be concerned about it yet...

As for your link, yeah I don't see any language requirement either. Is this regarding claiming citizenship through jure sanguinis or through residency?

[–] choss@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Gotcha, no problem, just a miscommunication :) Yes, DL 36/2025 is all about citizenship by descent, jure sanguinis. That's the new decree that has changed things recently, preventing many people from claiming citizenship. It's still possible that residency could be added as a requirement on top of parental ties, and in fact it has been for minor children beyond grandchildren.

I'll be watching how it all plays out along with you. Good luck on your journey!

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Good to know, thanks for the resource and the clarification 👍

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

You're incorrect, residency and language fluency are not new residency requirements for Italian citizenship, although the proposals I brought up(that have not been signed into law yet) are being expanded specifically for ancestry petitions.

You can try again.