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So have many other people before. To be honest, it is extremely tiresome having this same conversation again and again, month after month.
But good, let's go for it again then? Yes, USA definitely had an interest in who would be in the leadership of Ukraine after Janukovych is gone. So did for example Finland. When there were elections in USA in the end of 2024, there were people in the embassy of my own home country, Finland, in Washington DC having conversations about who they would prefer to see as the next president of USA. And various people working in the embassy of Finland in DC did call Helsinki and did have conversations very similar to what you linked there. That's one of the main reasons what embassies exist for, in the first place. They observe what is going on in the country they are based in, report about it back to their own countries' capitals, and also try to influence the outcomes of various events that can affect their own countries' interests. Also the embassy of Finland in USA does this. I am sure they said something along the lines of "Harris is our woman, it is important that she wins the election!" If there was anything the embassy of Finland could do about it, I am sure they did try nudge the US towards having Harris as its president.
This becomes even clearer if you listen to this phone call in the audio format. If you listen to the original conversation while keeping in mind that it's the embassy of USA doing its job reporting to its capital about what is going on and how it affects US interests, you see it's a call that is basically business as usual for an embassy. Yes, trying to influence what is going on.
From my previous experience of having had this same conversation with various people during the past 12 years of this war, next you are likely to say that this phone call proves that during this phone call USA created the conflict that began in 2008 when the Russia for example changed the Russian grammar, demanding that the conjugation of the word "Ukraina" in Russian language should use the forms used for regions of the Russia and not the forms used when talking about independent countries. In 2008 the Russia started preparing for invading Ukraine, and somehow this phone call in 2014 proves to you that USA created the Maidan demonstrations that began with Ukrainian berkut troops beating up unarmed teenagers in the demonstration and their relatives, many of whom were veterans of Soviet-Afghan war, came in their defence, armed. This would mean you implying that USA had a time machine they could use in 2014 to influence what the Russia does in 2008.
I am sure that you are very important and that people want to hear you opinion about things. I am not defending Russia, but Maidan was influenced by the Us, they have their interest as anyone has, but their interest count on coups, wars and co ops. Listen to Jacques Baud talking about it, I'm certain you know who he is. The 2008 crisis was again fueled by the Nato expansion to the east. Btw, take it as you will, Yanukovich was e legitimate President who was took down in a coup. Now, YOU would probably say that he was pro russian, which for again makes sense since almost the entire eastern half of Ukraine is ethnically russian, a fact that people tend to forget or ignore in this narative. The entire discussion was started because I dont agree that Nato should be funded. The rest is basic knowledge. And no, i am not russian.
Dude, 40 % of Ukrainians spoke Russian as their main everyday language in early 2022. In the capital of Ukraine, Kyiv, that was 70 %. More than two thirds of the people in Kyiv did all of their everyday things almost exclusively in Russian. When they paid the bus driver, they talked in Russian. When they bought milk in those over-the-counter shops that are still prevalent in Ukraine, they asked for it in Russian. And the bus driver and the shopkeep answered them in Russian. And when I lived in Ukraine in 2015 and 2016, practically all of my friends spoke Russian as their main everyday language. That had to do with me knowing Russian reasonably well back then and only knowing the basics of Ukrainian.
Any Russian-speaking Ukrainians I explicitly asked about their mother tongue always gave the same answer to me: "Ukrainian and Russian". I almost never heard them utter anything at all in Ukrainian – they lived their life completely in Russian. But still, they would answer "Ukrainian" in a poll. And not even one of them identified as Russian. They identified as Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Or, more specifically (and a bit funnily, to my eye), as "Ukrainian-and-Russian-speaking Ukrainians".
I am also married to a woman born in the city of Donetsk. Who used to speak exclusively in Russian until September of 2022. And even though she is from the most Russian-speaking city in all of Ukraine, and therefore along the most unambigously Russian-speaking Ukrainians, she has never seen herself as Russian. So, no. Eastern half of Ukraine was not Russian. It was Russian-speaking. And the capital was overwhelmingly Russian-speaking. And still not Ukrainian.
Also, most of the people in the Maidan demonstrations spoke Russian as their main everyday language and spoke Russian with their parents and children and spouses at home. Your claim that it was a demonstration against Russian-speakers in Ukraine is based on a forgetting or ignoring of this narative.
Also...
This sounded very sarcastic. Keep in mind that I started expressing my opinion because of you saying the following:
If you think I am unimportant and my opinion is not of any interest to you, please refrain from saying "I am eager to hear your opinion"
speaking a language and being of certain decent are two different things. i also know many ukrainians, many russians and many deutschrussen. imagine it as a switzerland if you could. or maybe belgium. one country, similar but still different people. rlthere are probably swedish enclaves in Finnland? are they finnish with swedish decent?
They do not see themselves as Swedes. Beside that, I do not understand what you are trying to say with your comment, and cannot react to it in a very meaningful manner.
You referred to a statistic where people's everyday language is incorrectly conflated with their nationality and then used that statistic to claim that the eastern half of Ukraine was identifying as Russians. That statistic was erroneous precisely for the reason you are bringing up: Being of a certain descent and speaking a language are not always connected. And also, being of a certain descent does not mean that you identify as being a part of the culture you are descent of.
That coup was the parliament of Ukraine voting to remove him from the post of the president of Ukraine. It was done according to the laws of Ukraine. It was breaking the laws of the Russia, and Putin is annoyed about that. Just like he is annoyed that there not being elections in Ukraine right not is breaking the laws of the Russia.
I would not call an impeachment done according to the laws of the country a "coup". And I feel that you are either uninformed or intentionally lying when you're calling it a coup.
and the laws cant be malpracticed. i really dont care what you feel, you ignore other points i write and answer with standard floscules. I see you as a extremely pro US and relatively anti EU, and thats enough for me.
That's also probably why I haven't bought products such as Coca Cola and Pepsi since the Iraq war began? :)
And me advocating for further integration of EU and wanting the EU parliament to have much more power over EU decisions than it currently has?
I find the concept of "malpracticing a law" very interesting.
What, specifically, was malpractice here? Except that it was against the will of Putin, and you are on Putin's side? Your anti-EU sentiment seems to be strong.