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YSK: Israel is ethnically cleansing Lebanon, and the mainstream media aren't covering it
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You can't compare China, who hasn't waged a single war in 50 years, to a genocidal entity like "Israel" that is being constantly aided by the US empire and defended by the western propaganda machine.
And regarding Xinjiang, you may need to look at the facts before throwing terms like "ethnic cleansing."
EDIT: I have to add how despicable and of ill nature it is to shift the conversation away from the issue at hand, i.e. the war crimes of the imperialist machine, and towards discursive topics.
China is now arguably the fifth largest supplier of arms supplying weapons and ammo to conflict regions. China is well known for its forced cultural assimilation and they have never stopped. Now they are openly committing genocide against Muslims.
I see you cherry picked the years because between the cultural revolution and the subsequent famine China lost well over 50 millions citizens.
We know the facts, the labor camps, the dramatic drop in birth rates, the altering of mosques to look more Chinese. Forced cultural assimilation is a genocidal act when the US did it to the Native Americans. China is no different.
Why did the Chinese lose so many citizens fighting fascist just to adopt capitalism and produce more billionaires than the US this and last year while also being an obvious oligarchy. Why did all these innocents need to die just for China to become fascist themselves?
If the US disappeared tomorrow Chiva would happily fill its spot as a the number one human rights abuser with their garbage partners Russia and North Korea.
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Because doing so has allowed them to lift 700 million people out of extreme poverty. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support.
Are you a Maoist? Do you think China should've stayed the course instead of doing reforms? Then they wouldn't have billionaires. Or are you just chauvanistically criticizing them regardless of what they do or don't do?
Let's ignore recent history because if you go back you see the enormous loss of life due to shitty policies backed up by propaganda and lies. Believable.
If you have come to terms that China's ruling party engaged in a cultural revolution costing millions of lives to just become what they literally fought against that is good for you. It is one of the greatest purges of citizens conducted in modern times for nothing.
I am not afraid to point out how China became a fascist nation and is ruled by a oligarchy that regularly purges it ranks. That their military industrial complex continues to grow bringing death and destruction around the world.
If you recognize that they engage in imperialism and genocide that is good. Like any modern garbage government it is about power and control not what is the best policies for the people. We can see wealth inequality dramatically increasing leading to a two-tired society much like all fascist capitalist countries.
Their partnership with the US, which is the most destructive country in history, intertwined their economies and helped increase the power and control of the ruling class in the US and produce the wealth used to subjugate the world under fascist rule.
Maybe some day the Chinese people will get the government they deserve, for now they are stuck with a government ran by a corrupt oligarchy.
So much projection. Literally you just see a bad thing about the US and accuse China of it based on nothing
Is there a statute of limitations? If a country is at peace for a hundred years, but it was at war before that, is it "cherry picking" to point that out? What about a thousand years? Absolutely ridiculous, just full on comical.
Do you actually know anything about the cultural revolution? Much of the violence and chaos was caused by independent, student-led militias. Naturally, there were calls for the central government to provide a greater degree of stability afterward.
Also, completely failed to answer my question. Were the reforms an improvement or do you prefer how things were under Mao? It has to be one or the other, or else you're speaking in bad faith (which you obviously are).
I don't believe claims without evidence, no.
What part of the US is the most destructive country on the planet do you not get you fascist apologist.
Ohh suddenly we can hold the US for all of its atrocities but China gets a magic reset because of yet another authoritarian regime change. Get the fuck out of here with more apologist garbage.
Pretending evidence doesn't exist when the Chinese government openly admits to what they do including the transfers of arms is bullshit.
You don't consider a slow burn genocide like the US continues to perpetrate against the Native Americans as something China does with its Muslim population, I get it. This denialism of imperial actions is a classic sign of someone who does not care about human rights.
You also have not explained why fascist China is okay but US fascism is bad. I guess just as long as your teams fascism taste better. I can't even with people who don't care about anything but their camp.
Really simple question, and this is the third time I've asked it. And you will ignore it for a third time, because you types have no answer to it.
I have no interest in engaging with any of that complete nonsense you just posted.
Let me get this straight, you think I approve of the revolution where an authoritarian regime killed countless people to take control of the country for their personal enrichment? I don't buy into stupid propaganda about communism.
I think you are a human rights abuser, someone who would willingly betray mankind.
Oh, look at that, you ignored the question for a third time, as predicted.
Number 4, let's go!
Opening in the sense that there's been over a decade of accusations and still no actual evidence of even a single death, or indeed any physical evidence at all, with the excuse that it's all going on in secret. So, the opposite of open.
Israel couldn't hide genocide in Gaza despite having it completely locked down and the tacit support of the media, but apparently China is doing it on an even bigger scale in a place people can freely travel to.
You keep saying that there is no evidence does not make it true. Birth rates plummeted by as much as 60% with China providing IUDs and sterilization.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/chinese-uyghur-policy-causes-unprecedented-fall-in-xinjiang-birthrates
I am absolutely not saying that what China has done is anything close to Israel and the wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians. Instead it is very similar to the genocide the US did with Puerto Rico.
I said no physical evidence. Not half decade old number fudging from right wing military industrial think tanks like the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
I am sure if you ignore numerous reports, video and photographic evidence, countless interviews, and China's own admissions then there is no evidence.
At this point I am just going to chalk it up to willful ignorance and your campism as I am very familiar with your denialism and propaganda at this point.
Edit: I did look up information again and it appears China has made some groundwork in reducing internment because their genocide was exposed.
https://www.icij.org/investigations/china-cables/beijings-backtrack-on-xinjiang-detention-camps-spurred-by-icij-investigation-research-finds/
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/report-eight-years-on-chinas-repression-of-the-uyghurs-remains-dire
Good for them I guess
Please present this "video and photographic evidence of genocide" and "China admitting it's committing genocide" or I'm just going to retain my conclusion that you are lying
This is another way you can tell it's bullshit: the people pushing it always have to fall back to personal insults against anyone pointing out the lack of evidence.
https://youtu.be/wM1DjkPWtj0
Smoking gun with orders to eradicated Islam, no surprise as the current genocidal government has always attempted to suppress religion to maintain control. You defense of this oligarchies decision to eliminate a people is noted.
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/campaigns/china-98/religion.htm
China is known for its tight control of religion especially it actions of erasing worship like Tibert. You defense of this persecution is noted.
https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c
Deception, lies, cultural indoctrination, internment under the guise of eduction, it is all there. Exactly what the US and Canada did to the Natives by kidnapping them. You defense of genocide is noted.
https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/
Erasure of culture, common tactics of those who are committing genocide. Just another visual admission of the erasure of a people because of a rulers whim. You defense of cultural erasure is noted.
https://youtu.be/1huINiEca24
Chinese official admit the goals and it is to prevent extremism. In order to do this they committ to a genocide. This is pure imperialism arguing that they are being educated while they are beaten, raped, and electrocuted. You defense of human abuses is noted.
You simply cannot control people when you create these unequal power imbalances. Even the best intentions, which these are clearly not, will be perverted by human nature. You inability to see this is noted.
Concentration camps confirmed, cultural erasure, and a complete stop in population growth. Your denial of what the Chinese government admits to is noted.
It is clear you are disingenuous and trolling as you have done this many times to other users before. You are abusive and it is disgusting.
I didn't ask for YouTube videos and gish gallop, I asked you please present this “video and photographic evidence of genocide” and “China admitting it’s committing genocide” or I’m just going to retain my conclusion that you are lying.
Also lol at your endless "is noted" like you're larping as McCarthy
Everyone's all against you, the whole world is wrong. Go abuse someone else.
Spoken like a true cultist
Capitalism and socialism are not some clear cut systems or categories that can be merely "adopted." They are modes of production that are dictated by the material and social relations of production in a given space at a given time. For instance, the transition from feudalism to capitalism did not occur neither swiftly, nor neatly nor universally; rather, capitalist bubbles existed at the epitome of feudal rule and did not expand until the favourable material circumstances emerged — abrupt demographic changes in the 14th century, colonialist ventures by private companies in American continent, and so forth. And even after capitalism became the dominant mode of production, feudalist relations of production still existed at the peripheries.
A similar perspective should be adopted in China. The existence of markets is not a core aspsct of capitalism; and regarding billionaires, the PRC prosecutes even more of them, in addition to the tens of thousands of millionaires who emigrate every year.
This is exactly what socialism looks like, a transitional stage that will bring forth a post-capitalist society once the international contradictions (Chinese millionaires) as well as external (US imperialist encroachment) are extinguished. Some policies may succeed, while others may fail and become lessons for future policymaking. But to call this anything close to fascism is treason to the working classes of the Global South.
Just ask yourself a simple yet important question: what does the PRC stand to gain from indiscriminately persecuting its own citizens and making them suffer aimlessly?
You can travel right now to Xinjiang and visit all of its towns and cities freely with total access and ease (as many tourists do every year), and you would see people openly speaking Uyghur, rituals and local events practiced publicly, and mosques operating normally. If you're adamant on believing what some white journalist from NYT or WSJ has to say instead of the locals and residents as well as tourists and independent, on-ground reporters, then this conversation should stop right here.
You don't get more billionaires by practicing socialism. You would have to be truly naive to believe China is practicing socialism. Also, their greatest accomplishment of raising so many people out of poverty was because of capitalism not socialism.
Why does China engage in forced cultural assimilation? Because it always has throughout history. They even have a name for it, sinicization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization
China has always and will always be imperialist which is why when campists call out the US for Imperialism it is so unbelievably hollow.
You can also travel to reservations in the US to see Native Americans dancing and singing. Clearly this proves the US has done nothing wrong. To be frank, your position is not supported by facts and it is naive to say the least.
The US also prosecutes their wealthy like Martin Shkreli. Does this suddenly absolve their capitalism. I know you are not joking, but it is hard to take you seriously when you hand wave the fact that China has now created more billionaires than the US for the second year in a row.
I judge a nations level of fascism by not only their wealthy inequality but a growing wealth gap. A truly socialist country would not have this issue. China continues to increase its wealth gap dramatically.
https://sccei.fsi.stanford.edu/china-briefs/rise-wealth-private-property-and-income-inequality-china
If you are trying to convince me you are a campist you have done an excellent job.
Again, you're ignoring the fact that socialism is not a defined set of policies that gets to be uniformly applied in a vaccum. The trajectory even has historically varied from one socialist state to another. To attribute the accomplishments of the PRC to "capitalism" is inaccurate. What there is in China is a market economy that is predominated by public ownership and state-owned enterprises, which is nowhere close to capitalism.
You condemn the consequences of the early Maoist policies, and then equally condemn Dengist reforms. What's the point of critiquing for the sake of critiquing, whem there is no constructive effort on your part to properly assess and understand the material and historical circumstances that have led to China's development into what it is now, only being guided by emotions and a confident lack of theory. One recent book on the matter that I recommend is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics by Roland Boer.
This is ahistorical and untheoretical thinking on your part. Imperialism is an advanced form of capitalism. An imperialist state is one that has saturated its domestic markets and as a consequence seeks to expand its markets and the reproduction of private capital overseas, by all means possible and most notably by force. China simply does not possess the features of imperialism. Prolewiki has a very informative article that explains the concept.
Until now, you've only indiscriminately sprinkled terms like imperialism and capitalism and fascism without much thought in the process, and so we've reached an impasse.
As to the Xinjiang matter, your views reflect those of the western propaganda machine. I've already mentioned above a FAQ compiled by Dessalines (yes, Lemmy's lead dev) which contains many articles and documents that may at the very least give a different perspective on this matter.
Seeing as you have be unable to effectively refute anything I have said I think we are done here. Cheers!
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Spoken like a true cultist.
Noted "true cultist", Jean-Paul Sartre
Lol, oh Lord no. Misusing someone words like this to support you cultlike beliefs silly.
Seeing as you have be unable to effectively refute anything I have said I think we are done here. Cheers!
Thanks for the cheers buddy.
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The zionist instance lmao. Be careful mate the polizei might come to your house if you don't support the genocide enough, you dirty antisemite
Oof you drank the db0 kool-aid. My condolences.
Btw. Israel is comitting a genocide in Gaza. Now by your logic, surely my comment must be deleted, right? But if you are honest, you don't give a shit about people in Gaza.
Now try saying "genocidal states should be dismantled".
Feddit will ban him for saying genocide is bad, so shhhh, just fund more weapons!
Now try saying "from the river to the sea"
Triple reply? Someone's triggered...
Go back to 4chan
Yes i'm triggered asshole some friend died. Piece of shit. I hope they bomb your mum with white phosphorus see if you wouldn't get TriGgeRed
My wife's arab you fucking piece of shit
Invading Tibet was an act of war.
When exactly do you think that happened?
Still going on, pops!
Lol what? So wars never end by that logic. The US is still engaged in the American Civil War.
The concept of an independent Tibet never existed before the British imperialists in India plotted to expand their sphere of influence into China. See for instance the Lhasa Convention.
Furthermore:
Source.
I thought we were defederating lemmy.ml?
Why would you attack me by implying I have alterior motives when I simply replied to the top comment? It doesn't mention an "imperialist machine", it states that there will be a world war against the US & Israel.
I simply stated that I can see no "good" allied forces against the "bad" axis in this conflict as in WW2 (let's just say that, for all its own problems, the lines were more clearly defined back then). Everyone's kinda the baddies now.
Regarding your sources: Wow, someone has certainly been busy. I simply haven't had the time to read it all, but if you consider a paid journalist on a curated trip to the region and a professionally produced video series with apparent residents as credible sources, I am not convinced. It's no secret that Bejing has a heavy grip on the media and censors basically all critical outlets. I do not expect any official account of anything bad ever happening there.