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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack, there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Anybody telling you pits are responsible for any percentage of dog attacks is lying by giving a number not scientifically achieved.

[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In 2009, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia released a five-year review of dog-bite injuries. The review states that 51 percent of attacks were made by pit bulls.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19644273/

In 2009, another study was published by the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology. The study ran for 15 years and it has concluded that pit bulls, German Shepherds, and Rottweilers are among the most common breeds that cause fatal dog attacks in Kentucky State.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19696575/

In 2011, the Annals of Surgery published a study, which concluded that Pitbull attacks lead to more expensive hospital bills, higher risk of death, and higher morbidity rates compared to other breeds of dogs.

https://journals.lww.com/annalsofsurgery/Abstract/2011/04000/Mortality,_Mauling,_and_Maiming_by_Vicious_Dogs.23.aspx

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Found the bot with the copypasta.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your data was true 13-15 years ago, doesn't mean it is true today.

[–] CMonster@discuss.online -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You think the dogs have somehow evolved to be less aggressive over a bit more than a decade?

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

It is quite strange to me that the only time I receive responses to 10 month old comments, whether on here or reddit, it's only regarding pitt bulls.

Must be a slow day on r/pitbullhate's private discord.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't mean it's wrong either; try to provide something to say otherwise.

Also how old does data need to be before it's dismissed as 'too old'?

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

That's up to you.

What other subjects do you accept almost 20 year old data on? Do you go back 50 years? What is the cut off for you in all subjects, or is pit bulls the only subject you don't have a standard for?

[–] HawtTism@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

Uhm….what about 99% of videos ever posted about someone being attacked by a dog. And nobody is surprised when it’s a pitbull.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

there is also roughly a dozen different breeds on the list of dogs commonly mistaken for pits.

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? It would need to be pretty substantial to offset the large proportion of Pit Bull breeds.

I dont say this to be dismissive, I would actually be pretty interested in reading what you have.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A year late and a dollar short... Literally.

Go away.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

A year later and you're still wrong and too far up your own ass to admit it even when confronted with evidence assembled by people more qualified than you'll ever be

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

When my dumb ass downstairs neighbor hears the kittens playing, she flies into a rage about my pitbull making noise. The hate causes the statistics, not the breed.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a head's up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack.

Your link doesn't address the point you made above, it's just a list of dogs mistaken for specifically "American pit bull terriers", it doesn't mention police DNA tests or reports, it says nothing.

Besides im talking about Pit Bulls in general which (Per the statement I made previously to another commenter on this post) is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Additionally the list you provided is half-filled out by the dogs that come under the pit bull breed. It even states that many dogs fall under the pit bull specification, which is why it singles out the American pit bull terrier in order to draw a distinction to them rather than say American Bullies.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The world's first ever police DNA program started in the UK in 2021, and it was created for dog thefts, not dog attacks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-57578701

And seeing that there is no national database of all precinct's police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself that they are not even cataloguing the breeds per attack.

As for your comment that there are 5 dogs that fall under the umbrella term of pit bull, that actually helps my original point that these lists are unscientific. Chihauhas aren't lumped together with Mexican shorthairs when the numbers are tallied, neither is any dog lumped with their types. These lists also don't break down which of the pit types are most responsible for the most attacks.

  1. because the numbers aren't collected by anybody, meaning the lists are lying, and
  2. if the pit types were separated by their actual breed, the numbers would show an average or a slightly higher rate of aggression, not the majority of all attacks.

I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

not a single police department in the nation DNA tests.

So you made this statement without knowing if it was true or not as you go on to say that "there is no national database of all precinct's police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself".

Bad faith arguments always end with "go and find out for yourself".

Can I ask what do you think the word breed means? It's not a specific dog, it's a term to describe a grouping of dogs (Shepards for example). And out of the 300 plus recognised groupings/breeds of dog, Pitbulls kill more than all of them combined. Even if you split it down to each sub-grouping, the dogs under the umbrella term "Pit Bull" still vastly outstrip all other dogs in attacks and fatalities.

I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.

In this post I provided another commenter a breakdown of fatalities caused by dogs and the graph shows German shepherds specifically cause less than 3% of fatalities over 16 years. Meanwhile the 5 dogs that make up Pit Bulls are responsible for an average of 67%.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Again, there is no database of dog genetics that police maintain in the US, unless it was created after 2021.

Meaning all the stats you have are based solely on media reports of dog attacks and not actual dog attacks.

You can also contact the people compiling the lists. If they respond, they will admit that they do not track the rate of attacks committed by German Shepherds in the line of duty.

We also know that Cane Corso's probably attack a few people per year, yet almost every list excludes them... Because they are counted towards pit bulls.

If you can provide an actual scientifically validated list, I am happy to see it. Otherwise your numbers are fiction and you know it.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago