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apt upgrade -UDoes both update and upgrade.
One fun thing about Linux is that you always learn
I don't want to learn. I have job to do.
Then you can use Linux Mint, super easy.
You don't learn things at your job? Damn, you must not be a good employee.
Learning OS wizardry is counterproductive. I have more important stuff to do.
Windows is usable without os wizardry? I know it used to be, but that wasn't my experience last time I used it.
Dude on mint I just open terminal and type apt install (thing I want). All dependencies handled. No fuckery. No bullshit.
So you don't learn OS wizardry and don't fuck around with working machine when there is stuff to do, duh. This doesn't depend on OS in use
This thread is highlighting exactly why windows users think Linux is unusable - apt, pacman etc are all commands that require a minimal understanding of the terminal, and the average person does not have that. The answer isn't "learn in your own time", because that simply isn't going to happen - they have no interest in the internals, how things work, they just want the end product.
Regular users just want it to update itself in the background or have a nice obvious "system update" button like Mint. The only thing they understand about "apt upgrade -u" is the word 'upgrade' - the rest might as well be ancient sumerian to them. Even remembering the short phrase is infinitely more complex than pressing a clearly labelled button. You will never convert a single user by trying to convince them to use any form of CLI over a GUI.
Oh, so you are from one of my favourite gangs - "terminal is scary and a no-go". Okay, I am yet in a good mood, so
they don't require that. "open terminal, type this incantation, press enter" requires zero knowledge of how any of that works. Also, "average person" is wildly different depending on where it is measured
Bullshit. You ever seen threads of how windows users hate its forced updates fuckery?
So let it be sumerian. Only thing anyone cares about is they know how to use it
First - bullshit. Second - "clearly labeled" my ass, because human language is not maths, any text can be understood very differently depending on a number of things
That made me chuckle. Go on, give me more insights about my life, it is so funny
Let's say "average users" are even willing to use the terminal. I feel like people running random commands and scripts found online would quickly give Linux a reputation for malware just as bad as Microsoft's.
Depending on what you mean:
See, you're so deep in the sauce you've lost all perspective; A normal user isn't getting as far as "type this incantation" - the one they won't remember and will have to look up each time - because they're going to give you a blank look when you tell them to open the terminal. I know this because I work with regular users ever day and get blank looks for much simpler questions.
No, windows users hate the constant restarting for updates, if it all happened in the background they wouldn't even notice. Just look at Mint.
They don't even remember it, never mind know how to use it. That's the whole point.
This is sophistic and stupid, humans don't speak maths and "apt update -U" isn't maths either. If you're so desperate you're reaching for "words don't mean anything akshully" you already know you're wrong.
You are not a user, you are a power user like me and everyone else in this thread. Regular users don't go online to discuss their OS. It's the height of narcissism to think you're the person being talked about here.
I like your honesty. So let's go further with this:
No, that's true for you: what your average computer user is, that's what you think anyone not proficient with computers is. News flash: “average person” is wildly different depending on where it is measured (c)
So, ~~updates~~ (edit: reboot) are needed for it to work properly. What was your point again?
No, this is something anyone paying attention to words knows.
Lol. I already know I am right, having spent years learning languages
True, I am a power user. So I am not using arguments like "if I can do it, anyone can". Also not true, the "think you’re the person being talked about here" is your invention about my thoughts. You did not disappoint, thank you
Alias na="Sudo nala upgrade -y"
Does update and upgrade with parallel downloads from fast high bandwidth repos and pretty colors 😍
Dammit, learning about this right after switching from Mint to OpenSuSE
Honestly great switch though. OpenSUSE is lovely and I bet you'll like Zypper. :)
Definitely make sure you know how to use BTRFS Snapper rollbacks and always
zypper dup(not up) on Tumbleweed!Also the community is great.
To quote the login terminal:
Yeah, liking zypper so far, except that it decided I must have forgotten to install the games and kde-games patterns which I deselected during install because I'll never use them (my games are pretty much all on steam, I've got no real interest in the built-in ones). Blocked them but now it's warning me about that every time I update, which is a bit obnoxious, but I'm sure I'll either figure it out or learn to not care about that
Maybe I can help! I'm sure somebody knows a slick CLI way, but I know that using YAST Package Manager (or maybe the new and fancy Myrlin), you can see what version of packages are installed and from which repo.
If it's available in the standard SUSE open repo, you can just switch to that.
Also, you can go to that open repo and there's an option at the top that says "Switch all packages to this repository" or something like that. Then you can probably safely remove KDE-Games if you don't want it.
The KDE-Games repo sometimes will have drivers or game related tools and things like that, but no, I don't think it's strictly necessary if there's nothing in it you want.
Whelp. Dang. Guess I know what I'm trying on my Ubuntu & Debian VMs next :D
Good to know. I just have a script that does like everything in order, but I could save a line by doing that instead of both beinv separate commands.