that chart in the article showing how Raytheon's stock price jumped up right after we learned about that girl's school was bombed is just so sickening
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I've been incredibly frustrated to hear and read articles that boil down to "We bombed another country again, here's what it's doing to stock prices".
Perhaps one of the most pointless wars in recent memory.
Most the the recent pointless wars all have one thing in common.
Religion + authoritarianism
And dat black, sticky-icky!
All wars are pointless.
Fuck no, some wars are entirely needed like the haitian revolution, or really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism
It's the Haitian revolution, not the Haitian war. Rising against your masters isn't waging war, and fuck the language that conflates those two things. Defending yourself from invaders isn't waging war. The invaders are the ones waging war, and thus war is pointless.
If raising an army and establishing a nation to fight another army defending it's nation is not what war is then I don't know what your definition is
What event are you referring to?
really any war fought against colonisation... Imagine if the chinese people hadn't fought against imperialism, or the russian people against tsarism
But it's what ~~Americans~~ Israel wants!
Queen Ghislaine wants!
While piece leads with depravity of school attack, and I'd add hospitals and leadership assassination, understand the geopolitics that the US is ruled by Israel first mandate, and Israel wants only destruction. Not a surrender and peace. Just as a nuclear deal with Iran would have entitled it to an opinion on Israel actions. Cruelty and illegality is the insurance to guarantee a unified angry Iran who'se only choice is to fight back. This is 100% the plan, and all idiocy of not understanding a plan is idiocy looking at the US to promote some humanist/liberal peace outcome instead of serving Israel's demonism.
All US allies have their political capital and media as atlanticist/zionist supremacist propagandizers. As such, they are more likely to equivocate Iran's self defense actions instead of strong condemnation of Zionist demonism, and threatening of rupturing of ties with Zionist allies to motivate a quick ceasefire. Waiting for Atlanticist/Zionist supremacist media to help sell demonism to the people of US colonies, is simply gaslighting concerns about demonic evil that will be applied to them all directly in the future.
Wtf is "demonism"?
while a specific demarcation line between human selfishness and demonism is fluid within personal conscience, most experts might agree that wanton mass murder and destruction for purposes of facilitating less opposition to future mass murder and destruction for wanton theft of the land of the murdered, can cross the lines of civilized human-considerate policy discussions, such that a demonic label is unanimously appropriate.
The kinds of atrocities you describe are violent imperialist and colonial policies. The word "demonic" is dehumanizing religious language used by nutjobs, bible-thumpers and MAGAts. It is especially problematic when used to describe a jewish institution (even if that institution is a genocidal apartheid state), due to the long tradition of antisemitism in Canada (we are both users at lemmy.ca I see) and the west in general.
And bombing of a girls school is a war CRIME. There is a subtle difference.
Iran's government needed toppling, but the ends do not justify the means. How you do something is just as important as what you're doing, and this is being done in a horrible, unjustifiable way for deeply nefarious reasons, and the fact that some sort of good may come of it (though that remains yet to be seen) does not excuse the fact that most of it is really, really bad.
What is this imperialist trash doing in an ostensibly "progressive" com?
Settle down. We need to have principles to live together in a global society. Moral relativism will get us nowhere and rampant individualism is a big reason why capitalism inevitably leads back to authoritarianism. Under capitalism the ends always justify the means.
A progressive world is one in which we have international law and a functioning UN that actually gives a shit about human rights, dignity, and freedoms. That should mean liberating those under oppressive regimes.
I hate nobody in this world more than Trump right now, but the one thing he gets right by accident is that relying on the US to do the dirty work of foreign intervention was never the right move.
The UN collectively should have liberated Iran years ago, and stepped in to keep Afghanistan out of Taliban hands as the US left, and more. These nations screw over their people constantly and they clearly couldn't care less about their neighbors either - case in point Iran attacking its natural allies.
We should work together as a global order to uplift everyone.
With that said, there should be sanctions on the US for the shit they're doing right now, and Israel too of course. For the same reasons. International law doesn't mean anything if it's just might is right.
The UN has no executive power. You will still rely on countries with all type of bad motivations that do not serve the iranian population
We need to have principles to live together in a global society. Moral relativism will get us nowhere
I have principles, imperialist; I'm not the one advocating for the West to ignore international law and national sovereignty. "The West should impose it's tyrannical will on the global South" is not a principle, it's just chauvanism.
A progressive world is one in which we have international law and a functioning UN that actually gives a shit about human rights, dignity, and freedoms. That should mean liberating those under oppressive regimes.
"International law is when the West gets to ignore international law."
The dirty work of foreign intervention
Damn, you sure dropped your pretense off caring about international law real fast.
The UN collectively should have liberated Iran years ago, and stepped in to keep Afghanistan out of Taliban hands as the US left, and more.
"The UN should have done what western chauvanists want it to!"
Ok, so again, you don't give a shit about international law, you just want the West to enforce it's will. Notice how you don't suggest the UN should "liberate" (read: destroy) the actual worst abusers in the world, Israel and the US, just their enemies. The US occupying Afghanistan is fine, but the UN should only intervene if they leave, apparently.
These nations screw over their people constantly and they clearly couldn’t care less about their neighbors either.
Fuck you; your nations are infinitely worse.
case in point Iran attacking its natural allies.
"How dare Iran attack our military bases when we use them to launch an illegal war of aggression against them!"
Fuck off. Iran is following international law, you aren't.
We should work together as a global order to uplift everyone.
Uplift yourself you bloodthirsty savages. This is just warmed over colonialist arguments from the 1800s.
With that said, there should be sanctions on the US for the shit they’re doing right now, and Israel too of course.
You mean the UN should be invading them to institute regime change right? Just as it should be doing for all the EU countries backing the most brutal genocide of the century? Oh no, of course not. You only believe the West has that right. Because you're a chauvanist who doesn't believe in international law.
International law doesn’t mean anything if it’s just might is right.
It also doesn't mean anything when it's just a way for white supremacist westerners like you to justify brutally dominating the rest of the world.
@TokenBoomer@lemmy.world l, seriously, why do we have to have this imperialist trash here?
There will be no good from this.. there's no justification for killing thousands and thousands of innocent civilians.
This will be just like the Palestinian genocide.
There's no plan other than bomb and kill.
No, countries should not go around invading other countries to effect regime change, regardless of how evil the leadership of that country may be. Change must necessarily come from the people, not foreign interests acting first and foremost for themselves. Time and time again toppling regimes has been the justification used to engage in wanton death and destruction, all the while being a pretense for something else. Just no. It needs to fucking stop.
With transparency and plans for transitioning out of violence after success/phases
I think we should just get it out of the way and call it The Iran Genocide. We all know that's where this is going.
That BAAL statue....