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[–] wioum@lemmy.world 145 points 2 weeks ago
[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why do some people just have the worst fucking ideas...and why is "some" starting to feel like "most"

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because media propaganda makes it seem as if the majority have certain views. People don't like to be on the outside so if the media can trick people into conforming then they will try that.

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Xyphius@lemmy.ca 85 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 weeks ago

Ok well I suggest Fedora Project leader get fucked. Plenty of other good distros bub.

[–] Peter1986C@piefed.europe.pub 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a feeling that a lot of those who replied have not really read the article, that contains some nuances. I do not like the idea of age verification, but the project leader's proposal is apparently not even official (and more like a hypothetical in a discussion thread on their forums.

Please read more than headlines, lol.

[–] esc@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But it's boring and won't give you the feelingn of being right.

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[–] Archr@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

However.. ive read the associated analysis of the California bill that reads directly on legislative intent:

quoting he Cali Senate Judiciary Committee analysis : file:///home/jspaleta/Downloads/202520260AB1043_Senate%20Judiciary.pdf

Why are we listening to a person who tried to link a file directly from their downloads folder?

Also the original post that the article is referencing on the fedora forums is suggesting that we remove all networking support from baseline linux as some way to comply/circumvent the law.

I'm sorry, but I just can't take anything said in that forum post seriously.

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 32 points 2 weeks ago
[–] btsax@reddthat.com 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Dang, am I about to become an Arch user?

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I already got BSD on a spare laptop. Granted it was freeBSD and I think I might switch to OpenBSD since the latter's foundation is Canadian and not US based.

But yeah if they go through with this I will be uninstalling it off my gaming machine and switching to Arch 100%. I really appreciated that line about it "not being April fools" when it was introduced in their github thread.

[–] knip@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Theres also artix which is basically arch without systemd.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For solutions that back on actually "verifying" the age by requiring credit card or government ID, those suck.

As described, this is an administrator self describing the age, which doesn't mean much to anyone except kids of people who apply parental controls to systems their kids have access to.

Accounts already require your "full name" but we don't consider that "full name verification".

This proposal seems to be in the spirit of least intrusive means to let parents opt into this stuff if they want, with no ties to identity compromising third party/state "verification".

Question is whether this sort of solution that at least gives parents some chance will satisfy the lawmakers long term. For the wave of laws now, it seems to suffice to self attest age.

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Accounts already require your “full name” but we don’t consider that “full name verification”.

They don't require anything. You can leave that empty or just put John Doe. All that is required for an account on a Linux system is a username and a password.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Well strictly speaking the full name field is always there, but a lot of people have the full name "".

But less pedantic, perhaps require was the writing word, but same principle, put whatever you want in dob field, default to 1970 or something.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As long as I have root, I’m as old as I wanna be.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not if age verification is done by a digital signature from the smart card in your government issued ID.

[–] cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

sudo rm /bin/evil-age-verification-binary

Or if it's done through systemd: git clone, remove the offending code, and compile.

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[–] Jaybird@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Welp... There goes Fedora!...

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Oh wait, there aren't people chiming in to call me and others a fucking idiot and a stupid man child and all the other talking points for suggesting that the systemd merge was going to escalate?

Fascinating. I wonder where they all went. Maybe they're on the BSD forums now, but somehow I doubt it.

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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

inb4

sudo usermod —birthday “1970-01-01”
[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the beginning of history.

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[–] nofate@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Glad I ditched Fedora a while ago.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

That's not enough. Just like with systemd, you will be made to care about what the corporatist Microsoft-garglers at Red Hat do, whether you use it or not.

[–] webp@mander.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is there a swastika in that image?

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't see it until you pointed it out. Imo looks unintentional, just an unfortunate result of the circuit traces being arranged as they are.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, tbh a swastica is an amazing symbol, such a shame nazis made it their emblem.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Because they are corporate-backed I can understand why Fedora would need to think about this, but I would never use them again. The surveillance state will stay the fuck out of my devices. The discussion also seems to be centered on GNOME?

[–] GarboDog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

We’re not legally required to have age verification here so if they try that shit here we’re just Gina nice to Arch/arch like :/

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

... sssssssiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhhh

I went with a Fedora distro because the Intel GPU drivers were less of a headache. Guess I must now find another distro...

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I would wait and be very vocal about not wanting it in the forums and stuff first.

This isn't decided and nothing has been added yet at the time of me writing this.

It deserves to be ridiculed and shot down through so that it never makes it through but the problem is Red Hat is an American company.

So I always knew this was going to happen to fedora. Still though, let's see what happens.

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[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago

Linux Distros Could Tell Fedora To Eat Shit.

[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing is sacred to these fucks

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

As if their consoderation of adopting AI into their dev stack wasn't enough.

Anyone have any recommendations for distros like Fedora that don't have systemd and won't consider using AI, but do support KDE?

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

MX Linux (Debian based) has a KDE version, and lets you choose a non-systemd init during the install.

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[–] ajikeshi@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

age verification made easy:

user has internet access -> contracts can only be made by adults -> thus age is verified...

also... whoever provides minors internet access goes to jail

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago

the whole point of age verification is control of adults. Kids are always just excuse, people who spout "think of the children!!" style rethoric always couldnt care less about kids. Those who do dont yell about it and actually do stuff to help kids, so its easy to tell them apart.

[–] aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I know this is tongue in cheek but kids should be able to use the internet. It's important that kids become digitally literate and the wonders of the internet are great.

It's so obvious that social media has made the world an objectively worse place and this is just another extension of that. Social media companies should face consequences when they harm children, full stop. Personally, I'd be fine with banning social media outright but I understand some may have free speech concerns. However, I don't see how the interests of corporate capital and the attention economy can be squared inside this circle. Corpos will always want to maximize screen-time and they don't give a hot fuck who's brain they melt. Unfortuantely we live in a world where even the president of the US is a demented pedophile rapist so I don't have much hope for people like Zuck seeing the consequences of his actions.

Social media is a societal disease and until we actually deal with the root of the problem, which honestly doesn't have anything to do with kids at all and really boils down to capitalist incentives and their relation to the attention economy, we will continue to see harms inflicted upon the digital citizens of the world.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

bro... wtf should i use now??

Back to Arch??

Back to Debian??

or fuck it go TempleOS.....

[–] mrnobody@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Whoever the fuck supports age verification should be hung!!! Fuck that shit!!

[–] mech@feddit.org 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Fuck age verification, but the fact that this comment gets even a single upvote seriously worries me.

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[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 6 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

What problem does this even solve? On Linux, what app would even be asking how old you are? Web browsers for sure, and maybe electron apps like Discord? But what else is there?

I'm on Bazzite (based on Fedora). I'm comfy with it, moving distros is a significant effort, so I'm very unlikely to ever jump ship. If I have to make a workflow that mirrors the official Bazzite images and neuters this age check, so be it. Not that complicated.

But I'm willing to bet the community will step up and maintain browsers/apps that don't have these age checks in the first place. Firefox has many forks that definitely won't, and Vesktop will probably stub this out when it inevitably comes to Discord. If there's nothing to ask for age verification, it doesn't matter what the OS can do.

I really don't see a need to burn a distro I'm comfortable with, even if the upstream maintainers are a little dumb. There a ton of ways to bend a Linux distro to your will without throwing your hands up.

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[–] Adam_Crock@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I hope OpenSuse doesn't follow, or I will have to switch to a fully community distro that have already said the f word to age verification

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