OP really hates AOC.
this post was submitted on 17 Apr 2026
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As much as I've liked AOC in the past, she needs to stay progressive or she needs to go. We cant indulge ourselves with cult of personality politics over issues, we have to stick with issue based stances informed by reputation. If she goes the wrong way on issues she gets her hand slapped and takes a reputation hit. If she does it too many times, she gets the boot from progressivism and she can go try her luck with the centrists. Those have to be progressivisms rules or we will get played, if not now then by some future fake progressive.
I live in the dark dark blue state of Hawaii and the only way to run for office here is on the D ticket, so we see lots of fake dems sprout up, and pretend to be progressive until they can leverage incumbency instead. Voting blue no matter who is definitely a way to get completely played if you vote in elections here, and political strategists understand how to exploit this dynamic very well.
She plays the game but that doesn't mean she's secretly a Capitalist. We can debate the efficacy of her strategies, but I am glad she finally pushed the party on Israel's genocide.
If it weren't for the players, there'd be no game. Also, considering human living conditions/death as a "game" emulates rent seeking crapitalism ideals.
agreed, all of politics is not exactly "real". Its a shared conceptual structure and a "game" we humans keep making up for ourselves to play. We can choose just not to play this game anymore and play by new rules. "The system"is not immortal and immutable, its just a conceptual construct we all agree exists, and is easy enough to follow such that our day runs predictably. If enough of us state that we are playing a new game instead, people everywhere will need to decide which game they want to play: the cruel shitty one that oppresses them or some new one.
If you're paying taxes you're playing the game as well. It's not much of a choice.
Yes because employers will totally not automatically take it out of the paycheck. Cause they're all about getting in trouble for their employees.
The only ones who can not pay taxes are the ultra wealthy or those who are only classified as contractors. And the contractors will get fucked a lot harder if they don't pay
Truth
Oh yes, the captive functioning of society is as bad as the optional "can't do anything differently" dysfunction. 🙄
Even when you're a captive tax payer you can do things differently. I think you mean to say she has power to do things more effectively? which brings us back to debating the efficacy of her tactics
Even when you're a captive tax payer you can do things differently. Agree.
I think you mean to say she has power to do things more effectively? I said what I said.
Apologies for offering my understanding of what you said, I really don't understand your expectations here. That all politicians stop playing the game starting with AOC? And that will somehow bring down the two party system? But again, here we are talking about what is a better strategy which you insist is not the case.
That all politicians stop playing the game starting with AOC?
If it is to be stopped, it has to stop with someone. The AOC of today is not the AOC of the first campaign, and that's by design of the game. Not faulting get that out happened, but she's been in the game long enough to know only billionaires and corpos are winning by these rules.
A drop => a trickle=> a stream=> a flood
Are we expecting her to dismantle the master's house with the master's tools by throwing away the tools? My expectation is that she will use the tools to do harm reduction so that organizing lasting change becomes possible.
Naïve optimism is blind folly.
And not embracing a diversity of tactics is leaving power at the table for the capitalists to take.
Right, because that's not been done since Truman...
If you have some newly invented tactic I would love to hear it
Oh gnoes! We keep trying what doesn't work and moving right! But trying something new certainly won't work, let's try this old thing again, surely it will work this time! 🤡
I'm still not seeing anything new here. At least invent new insults.
New: vote 3rd/actual left
What exactly is new about voting 3rd party?
🤡🤓
Stop sealioning
It's your rodeo I guess. We are all free to not respond if we feel our position needs no explanation or defending 🤷
In the end, we all get the government we deserve
That's why Democrats today are right of Reagan.
No apologies needed, thanks anyway
In your opinion, Is AOC to the right of Reagan?
What game is she playing? Keep the establishment in power while it does nothing for the left?
If that was her intention then she wouldn't have stated Isreal should get no weapons, not even for "defense". Unless maybe she's trying to save the system from itself? Still seems like that shift is something beneficial for those who want the genocide to stop.
She did state Israel should get defensive weapons until that position became unholdable. Now she's trying to keep Pelosi in power. She's doing everything to prevent a shift to the left.
you should call the majority report, they would love to have you explain how you came to this conclusion: 646-257-3920 , you will have a much larger audience then what's here. I would love to see it.
You mean the "vote genocide no matter who Holocaust Harris #1 fanclub" report.
Were you expecting me to recommend a show where they agree with you?
No one that didn't tell people to vote for genocide
I mean the majority report will often say the dems loose because they support genocide, they criticize the "vote blue no matter who" line. So not sure what you mean exactly
I can tell you don't watch the Majority Report. They used to be pretty decent until around 6 months before the election when they went into Blue MAGA overdrive as they always do. Also they are American supremacist Nazis.
I watched enough MJR to know you were going to call Gaham Platner a Nazi... You should actually listen to that guy, I've heard more working class analysis from him then I have seen in this entire thread.
And you might as well accuse Hasan of being a white supremacist for his support of Platner.
Maybe watch the video instead of telling me to listen to Nazis.
Yes Hasan is an American supremacist as well what about it
Okay, that made me laugh. Thx for that I guess
Reality is hard to swallow when you great genocide as a joke.
Ilhan Omar is chummy with Hasan as well, yall going to denounce her as well?