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[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They aren't the same thing so the comparison is weird.

endl has a flush which is important when doing something like embedded work or RTOS development. If i was doing multiple lines they all were \n until the last line when i actually want to push the buffer.

Obviously depending on the tuning of the compiler's optimization multiple flushes could be reduced but the goal should always be to write as optimal as possible.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

but the goal should always be to write as optimal as possible.

Within reason.

Over optimization is a curse on getting done.

[–] aport@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Who in the hell is using iostreams in an RTOS

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 1 points 7 hours ago

Sometimes you work in a codebase that was decided on by others for reasons you don't know.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 13 hours ago

Several. Probably dozens

\n, because I ordered a newline, not a flush.

[–] GideonBear@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

#define endl "\n"

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If I'm writing C++, I'm usually optimizing for portability over performance, in which case I would prefer std::endl as it would yield the best results regardless of platform; it also keeps the end-of-line character out of other strings, making code just a little cleaner.

\n is for when I'm done pretending that anything that isn't Unix-like is OK, and I'm counting the cycles of every branch instruction.

[–] barubary@infosec.exchange 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

std::endl provides zero portability benefits. C++ does have a portable newline abstraction, but it is called \n, not endl.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 day ago

Thank you two for demonstrating the image in the post so well.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, there's no guarantee that in every context \n is translated portably.

[–] barubary@infosec.exchange 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The same is true of std::endl. std::endl is simply defined as << '\n' << std::flush; nothing more, nothing less. In all cases where endl gives you a "properly translated" newline, so does \n.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ahhh, I see. Looks like the magic happens somewhere further down in iostream.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's controlled by whether the stream's opened in text mode or binary mode. On Unix, they're the same, but on Windows, text mode has line ending conversion.

[–] zenforyen@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's an artificial dichotomy based on a popular misconception of what std::endl is and how \n is interpreted.

Ultimately it does not ask about line endings, but about flushing, which is a completely orthogonal question.

[–] bramen49@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Well, Java has System.lineSeparator so, maybe no?

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Endl is faster to type

[–] nope@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Environment.NewLine might exist in C#

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml -1 points 21 hours ago

Microsoft really creating the problem and then forcing you to use their solution.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It might do. I encountered it last week as I needed it for a powershell script. So it exists in that at least

[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)
[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

std::endl is used in output streams in C++ to end the line, using the os specific line termination sequence, and flush the buffer.

The later one is a performance issue in many cases, why the use of "\n" is considered preferred

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[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Instead of this:

cout << "Hello world.\n";

You can do this:

cout << "Hello world." << endl;
[–] Daedskin@lemm.ee 5 points 22 hours ago

The fact that you used the namespace for cout but not for endl inordinately bothers me

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[–] gon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Alternatively:

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/manip/endl

p.s. The site isn't entirely mobile friendly

(I'm a cppref lover tbh)

[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Boy am I glad I don’t do C++ anymore. That string handling with the overloaded bitshift operator was wild.

[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, so you're a println! kinda guy?

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[–] lengau@midwest.social 9 points 1 day ago

os.linesep

Lol jk none of my stuff runs on Windows anyway

[–] dave@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago
[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] tourist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago
/* I'm new to this language so just imagine there is a new line here when it prints: */
[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] aport@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Are you a modem by any chance?

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

No, I'm a teapot

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

I'm on side \PHP_EOL

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago

Rebel side \0

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 5 points 1 day ago
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