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torture seems like a pretty good compromise
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Bad news is there are a lot more racists than leftists. If leftists want to force compromise we need to increase our bargaining power somehow.
The thing people don't seem to understand is that political compromise happens not because it is wanted. It's because the other faction has forced it.
I don't think so. There are a lot more people willing to call themselves racist than leftist. Leftist policies, when not called leftist, are incredibly popular, even with Republican voters.
Then maybe you shouldn't make a big deal of calling yourself 'Progressive' or 'Leftist' or 'Communist'
Mao said that the revolutionary swims through the population like a fish swims through the sea.
That may well be true but until those people are activated and organized into a political movement that has the power to demand concessions, don't expect things to change. That's all I'm saying.
And yeah that means we are going to need to work with people who have disgusting views on some issues.
Compromise happens in systems that enforce it, i.e. multi-party systems.
Very true. The system itself is a big part of the issue.
Always enough leftitst to blame election losses on, never enough to force negotiation. We see how it is. Demanding our vote? Compromise with us.
"Our enemy is both very strong and very weak." Type stuff
It's not up to them whether we can force negotiations lol. That's what it means to force them.
And yeah blaming losses on leftists is stupid because there truly aren't that many of us. I haven't found good polling but from what I can deduce it's in the single digits percentage-wise.
Someone will always highlight recent elections with incredibly thin margins, though. E.g. people who attribute Trump winning in 2016 to disappointed Bernie voters that didn't show up to vote for Hillary.
But that also ignores just how broken the US electoral system is anyways, where it doesn't matter how many more votes you have if they still aren't distributed correctly.
Yeah there are multiple reasons this breaks down but fundamentally it is the responsibility of leaders to convince voters to vote for them. If they fail to do so that's on them, not the voters.
Also, in tight elections there are always a large number of possible constituencies that could swing the election. It does not follow that they're individually responsible for the outcome.
Especially, since, y'know, as a leftist who typically does vote for democrats it's not as if I personally control what other leftists do.
A blood clot the size of a pinhead can cause a heart attack.
Something can be tiny and still mess things up.
Then it sounds like blood clots are worth taking seriously instead of just hoping they'll end up okay.
Yeah, but if someone is staring at a machine gun, the clots kind of get ignored.
And if the clots kill the person first, that really doesn't stop the gun man, does it?
You win over others with policies, policies that improve their material conditions. Those policies are popular across the board.
Unfortunately the vast majority of the public is too disengaged to care about details like "policy", instead voting based on gender, skin tone, and lies- if they vote at all
Is that analysis based on data or vibes?
The data on why the Democrats failed to win is clear
Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win
Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo
Democrats' Working-Class Failures, Analysis Finds, Are 'Why Trump Beat Harris'
2024 Post-Election Report: A retrospective and longitudinal data analysis on why Trump beat Harris
How Trump and Harris Voters See America’s Role in the World
Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college
Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones
Here Are 7 ‘Left Wing’ Ideas (Almost) All Americans Can Get Behind
Finding common ground: 109 national policy proposals with bipartisan support
Progressive Policies Are Popular Policies
Tim Walz's Progressive Policies Popular With Republicans in Swing States
https://blueprint2024.com/polling/harris-poll-positive-message-8-8/
https://blueprint-research.com/polling/distance-biden-ads-message-test-10-15/
“This was a preventable disaster,” Cook said, “but Harris and the Democratic Party leadership prioritized the agendas of corporate donors and gambled on a centrist path, while largely abandoning working-class, young, and progressive voters.”
‘Feckless’ Ken Martin Rebuked Over DNC Decision to Bury Autopsy of 2024 Election Disaster
Different groups of people. A very significant chunk of people aren't even aware that the US is at war.
If you can't back up your claims with data, I don't get the point of this conversation
https://theconversation.com/what-americans-think-of-the-war-in-iran-277627
You hear the same thing from people who say that “both sides of politics are wrong.” What they actually are saying is that the left won’t listen to the right side… as an example, I have a friend who lives in another state who is a hard-core Trump supporter, but since his reelection he has had his eyes opened up to how terrible he is, but at the same time he still supports ICE but calls Trump a pedophile but then also says that the democrats are the real problem with everything…but both sides are bad apparently.
This certainly isn't true of every case. Socialists, viz., those who are further left than Democrats, have good reason to find fault with both sides. Allow me to give you some examples:
• Republicans and Democrats both vote to increase ICE funding every year.
• Republicans and Democrats in Congress both practice insider trading.
• Republicans and Democrats both bail out banks and give corporations subsides (i.e., corporate welfare).
• Republicans and Democrats both receive campaign finances from billionaires (i.e., legalized bribery).
• Republican and Democrat presidents both drone strike "terrorists" overseas and bomb countries without Congressional approval.
• Republicans and Democrats both kept Guantanamo Bay open for decades.
• Republicans and Democrats both crack down on whistle blowers.
• Republicans and Democrats both maintain a surveillance state on its citizens.
• Republican and Democrat administrations both assassinated democratically elected leaders overseas.
• Republicans and Democrats both fund Israel's genocide of the Palestinian people.
Trump was not created ex nihilo. Presidential power has been growing for decades. Congress has been blatantly corrupt for decades. We have broken (and supported breaking) international laws for decades. To equate all major problems with one side of the political aisle would be overly reductive.