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[–] horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I did some political stuff back in the day. We used to say "when people vote, democrats win." I don't need a win, I just need the fascist pedo kleptocratic octogenarian to lose.

[–] GenLe@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

Nevermind that we hold parties accountable and make them actually represent the people. If centrist/corporatist Democrats wanted to win, they should be listening to the people, and they refuse to do that. They are absolutely complicit in what's been happening over this past decade, even long before that.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (6 children)

It's far from the only way. They have the means to rig elections or cancel them altogether.

If you think voting is getting you out of this mess, you're in for a reality check.

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[–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This is a misunderstand. It's not about voting. It never was. It's about organizing.

Sure vote for harm reduction. Yes, it can slow things down a bit temporarily, but don't think it'll save your life. Both parties are genocidal fascists who will continue to escalate war and state violence. From a capitalist standpoint, fascism is correct and necessary. Profits have fallen too low, democracy is no longer profitable, no matter which party is in charge. The billionaires need living standards to drop much lower. But in a democracy, people would not be willing to accept that, so they need to be disciplined violently.

Democrats, just like Republicans will come for your loved ones, arrest communists, continue imperialist wars and genocide, shut down strikes and unions, militarize the police. Simply because Democrats are capitalist and within capitalism, fascism is the next logical step. Not for ideological reasons, but because of real material economic facts. The facts demand fascism. Democrats will adapt or cease to be Democrats.

When Nazi fascism was defeated in Europe, it wasn't by voting for the lesser fascists. The only way to save democracy is to organize real resistance, that's able to enforce demands.

If you have limited capacity to contribute and organize, don't waste your time campaigning for the Democrats. Vote for them, if it makes sense in your state, but that's just one day. If you have any energy to spare the rest of the year: talk to your neighbors and coworkers about real solutions. For example general strikes and anti-fascist community self defense. Learn communist theory, start a reading group. Join a Marxist org.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (24 children)

How was fascism defeated in Europe again?

Let's retrace what happened because I think there may be some confusion here. Nazism was not unique to Germany nor was it the only form of fascism. Nazism was very popular in the US because of the strong white nationalism and eugenics we practiced at the time (and still do). Hitler himself admired the US and credited the ongoing Native American genocide as his inspiration for the Holocaust.

Germany was pretty fucked after WWI and it's economy was in a free fall from massive inflation due to printing money to pay restitution as decided in the treaty of Versailles. This is where US industrialists like Ford stepped in. He brought his technology and built entire factories in Germany. He said the Germans can keep them and make all the profit from them.

The wealthy of the US helped bail out Germany and breathe economic life back into the nation. Without this help Germany would have never been able to rebuild and attack Europe again. So to be clear a white nationalist nation who disliked the Jews helped Germany rebuild its industry which set into motion WWII.

Hitler's original plan was to kick all the Jews out. He sent diplomatic envoys around to see if nations would take in the Jews. The wealthy US industrialists caught wind of this and started lobbying the US and the rest of the world to not take the Jews in. They stroked existing anti-Jewish sentiments successfully and ensured no one would take the Jews in. This action is what lead to the final solution.

Germany had a couple of problems first though. One was they had no way to track the Jews. Que IBM to the rescue. Those numbers tattooed on Jew's arms were developed as a census system with help of IBM computing power. The other major problem was the logistics of emptying the ghettos as part of the final solution. Germany needed helped and once again IBM obliged by figuring out how many Jews could be loaded onto trains and sent to the death camps daily without getting backed up.

When the US showed up in Europe at the end of WWII to take credit for what Russia had done they did not defeat Fascism. They had helped create it to begin with. The US continues to spread fascism around the world after this. You see Fascism was never defeated. Fascism survived and eventually swallowed the entire world with the help of the US.

[–] lemonwood@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I agree. Fascism wasn't defeated. One particular brand of "Nazi fascism" was simply rebranded. Fascism can not be permanently defeated within capitalism.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

That is pretty much my point that you have summarized succinctly. I appreciate the confirmation.

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[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Fyi... vote in fing primaries, that is the only way to fix the kinda bad side.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Multiple things can be true. Both sides are bad, but that's why the concept of voting for the lesser evil is a thing.

Everybody sucks. But you should still vote.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don't agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
Or, you know.. you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don't bring the change everyone hopes for.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Trump lost in 2020 because everyone came out and voted against him.

And then Biden sat on his hands, let trump rebuild and the Dems lost in 2024.

The Republican Party is actively dismantling democracy, but the Democratic Party isn't defending it. And then voters who expected something would happen, people would be held accountable, things would get better, we wouldn’t have to live through more horrors, get discouraged.

And then memes come out and tell those discouraged people, “actually you know what, you’re a dumb baby.”

The Democratic Party needs to start delivering things. Actual, tangible things to their voters. Not a CHIPs act, that does some nebulous grab bag of subsidies to Intel, not an ACA that entrenches the power of the insurance companies we all hate. They need to actually make peoples lives better and not have it phase in over 20 years and be easily dismantled by the next Republican congress.

We get told again and again, change takes time. But then the republicans take power and change is instantaneous. New tax code written by and for the ultra wealthy, done. Concentration camps and hundreds of billions for ICE to become a gestapo, done. Worldwide tariffs, sure why not! A war in Iran, well if trump feels like it, all it takes is a tweet.

No sane person should ever vote for a Republican again, but if the Democratic Party would like to know why people don’t care about voting for them, it’s because they don’t deliver anything worth voting for. A decade after their biggest legislation this century, the Affordable Care Act, the average American is cheering for the assassination of a health insurance CEO because their industry is still so reviled. Which is the best indication that it did not fix the problem.

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[–] AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Which side thinks that food, medicine, and shelter are a human right and not just access to them is a right? I'll always vote for that side.

[–] horus_son_of_isis@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I'm convinced the call is coming from the inside. Hillary was the most qualified person to ever run for President, but the least electable. She has the charisma of a rattlesnake. Kamala - C'mon people - electing a half-black guy was what made every Southern blue state flip red. I don't like it, but facts are facts. Could we have a white guy in a suit for a little while until we recover a little bit of our country? Preferably someone under 70.

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Posts about blaming a minuscule minority of voters are specifically designed to encourage people to not look for the causes of rising fascism.

Keeping people distracted and attacking their socialists allies is the only way Democrats can continue to move further to the right and join Trump's new "War on the Extreme Left".

If you don't see the connection, you have a problem.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (13 children)

gotta ask yourself if you want a chance to fix things or no chance at all. with trump, its no chance at all

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

With Trump, there's not only no chance of things getting better, but a good chance of things getting worse.

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[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

First of all, half the non voters would vote republican (unless you actually believe democrats are just actually lazier people than republicans?!).

Second of all, 99% of the shit trump does wrong is just plainly wrong under both parties "values." It doesn't matter what party this is way bigger than party this is about an enemy of the state controlling the white house.

Also the democrats keep voting to fund his government, instead of shutting the whole damn country down, which is in fact necessary because an active unrepentant child rapist is controlling the white house and he's starting illegal wars and stealing billions of dollars. So, to vote in the house or the senate for even one dollar of taxpayer money to be entrusted to donald trump as the chomo-in-chief of the executive branch is in and of itself treason worthy of capital punishment.

So yes, fuck the democrats who have voted to pass budgets that hand trump trillions of dollars that he treats as a blank check. Domt tell me dems are the best way to get him out of power, tell me who to vote for to express my desire that the federal government ceases functioning immediately until he gets out. Because this whole lets vote him out ive been hearing it for ten fucking years now and yet here we are. Stop telling me to wait for November, shut the whole fucking thing down today. This guy rapes children and we're letting him do anything??? Why?? Shut down the government light the constitution on fire because literally zero authority for anything good in the world can exist while the "leader of the free world" is a rapist murderer who is grifting billions of dollars. Like it just has to stop, fuck the vote, just stop this fucking maniac who slathers his face in orange paint and rambles about how the epstein files exonerated him!!

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[–] 5715@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the parties caucuses? Since you have a two-party autocrcacy anyways

[–] itsBlorpinTime@feddit.online 5 points 5 days ago

Literally why Israel got trump in office

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