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Because there’s this guy called Bonnie Prince Bob who called himself a socialist and openly and publicly advocates its use… despite the fact that “psychedelics” are drugs. Like cocaine is a drug.

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[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Spoilering this because it's a WALL of text. Summary:
Psychedelics saved my life. I'd have killed myself nearly a decade ago had I been forced to only be able to take prescription depression "medication" that just made me worse. People in here shitting on them need to actually educate themselves on them instead of just spamming "drugs bad." Lack of education is why these things are used incorrectly and also seen as recreational when their main benefit comes from using them medically and meditatively. These are not recreational substances imo and they should not be used in that manner.

spoilerI can’t speak for DMT specifically but one thing that's pissed me off about conversations like this in this community in the past is the fact people that have no education on a topic come in and start screaming “drugs bad” and acting like every mention of any “illegal” drug is coming from people that are doing them recreationally like some addict or junky. The second its “illegal” it’s not ok and any way you take it is considered substance abuse. Yet we prescribe things 1000 times worse for your mind and body, labelled as “anxiety” medication, but if you talk about how actually bad those can be for you, you are immediately attacked.

That bigger issue is, because of their status as illegal substances things like DMT, psilocybin, and even to an extent, LSD, are viewed by most of the populace as the same kind of recreational, illicit substance like marijuana, cocaine, etc. Drugs that ARE addictive and having no real benefit to you. I mean weed is a stretch to being dangerous, but it can be addictive. It's less bad in every way than alcohol yet you can drink yourself to death in any Asian country but if you are found with weed your life is over. That being said, these are recreation drugs and things like DMT and psilocybin should not be lumped in with them It's s only due to lack of understanding and education that they are. (And I am not even getting into drugs that ARE legal and WAY more dangerous)

These things can do amazing things for the mind. For my experience im going to talk specifically about psilocybin but I know from others that DMT can be similar in its end results. It’s been shown to be a long-term cure for things like anxiety and depression. Not only this but it’s non-addictive and studies have shown it actually can help you fight actual addictions. The entire reason I got involved with that is because the prescription meds the doctors kept trying on me where eventually going to make me kill myself. It wasn’t until I stopped all of them and took matters into my own hands that I got better. So “magic mushrooms” actually saved my life. They also helped me see new ways of viewing the world and left me so much more empathetic than I was before. They started me down a way of thinking that ended up being super critical to me becoming a communist.

These are not things you should take at a party, or recreationally, and their “downsides” only come because people think of them that way. They ARE; however, extremely useful and beneficial when taken more medicinally/meditative. Both in a “microdosing” way and also for having a “trip” like experience. I have “trip sat” about a dozen people over the years, either them wanting to experience it, or actually doing it to help with anxiety/depression. We go outside, under a tree next to a small, secluded field by a forest, and just chill and meditate on life. And not one of them has had a bad experience. I have a small group of friends that come out maybe once a year, and we do the same thing. If you treat them like a recreational drug, you are doing it wrong and gonna have a bad experience, because its just not what they are good for.

I am not some addict. I drink a beer or liquor here and there, and maybe once ever few months I'll smoke some weed. Then once a year I trip with some friends, and I don't even consider it drug use. It's more like,just a super deep personal meditation. The only thing I would ever say most people should try, in a safe, appropriate setting, just once in their life.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago
[–] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I only have anecdotal evidence to support my views, but in short I don't believe most drugs are problematic in of themselves, especially if used moderately or for their intended purposes. Psilocybin, from my understanding, has a lot of medical potential, and I know several people who have used careful dosages for therapeutic and recreational purposes - and even the recreational case was more spiritual than just "let's get high". I know plenty of people who smoke weed responsibly, drink responsibly, use tobacco products responsibly. I, myself, drink very seldom, but over-consume soda, so I think there's something to say about different addictive substances having more weight with different people.

Now, all that said, I also personally know people who are too into drug culture, who try everything and anything and think there's no problem. I've argued with a stranger who said meth was the same thing as Adderall and should be legalized, that people only have problems with meth because they don't know how to use it responsibly. I've seen people act like Marijuana and Psilocybin are God's gift on Earth, the tools for enlightenment. I know people who got hooked on Marijuana, overindulging on it, and showing the same "I don't have a problem" attitudes and withdrawal symptoms of coffee addicts, or began showing other, more troubling symptoms.

So, to me, I think a large part of the problem is our culture, in several ways. Misinformation, criminalization, demonization, which leads to a reaction of more misinformation and glorification. Most of those people I know who had problems with drugs were suffering intense levels of social and financial stress, looking for a way out. The people I know who responsibly use drugs are in pretty stable situations, with family who can help them if things go poorly. From my perspective, capitalism makes drugs - like so many other things - more hazardous and problematic than they need to be.

But this is all anecdotal, as I said.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 4 days ago

I personally don't have anything against drugs themselves. Coffee is a drug. Tylenol is a drug. My season allergie medicine is a drug. Heroin is a drug. The drugs itself are not a problem. How they and their users are treated in society is problematic.

From the poor neighborhoods they run rampant in to the criminal side of it to the use of governments to suppress movements to whatever it is they are used in a harmful way. I think being aware of that is necessary as a communist but that doesn't mean you have to be strictly against drugs.

It is good to have a party line on no drug use probably to keep discipline within the party.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's nothing wrong with drugs per se. Psychedelics are fun recreational drugs that don't have a lot of harm, and the harms they have are mostly because they're illegal. I also think being against drugs in general is kind of reactionary. Because there's a huge difference in LSD and heroin. And alcohol is a drug on the same level of cocaine imo but that doesn't mean I'm in favour of banning it, so why ban other drugs? People using drugs also says nothing about how socialist they are. Even if they're addicted, because then they are a victim.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I disagree only on the grounds of, I do not see these things (DMT, psilocybin , etc) as recreational and I think the reason they have any bad rap is because they are treated as such. Things like psilocybin are an amazing meditative and medicinal tool to open, and even heal your mind. But doing them recreationally like they are weed or something? I would never advocate for that.

But otherwise I agree we are way too quick to pop off with "drugs bad," just because "illegal." I can go to any country in asia, and go drink enough alcohol to kill myself. Meanwhile it's next to impossible to kill yourself, or hurt others, with something like weed, but get caught with it and your life is over.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Recreational doesn't mean abusing them. And when I think of medicinal use I'm thinking inside a hospital or something. I think what you're talking about is also recreational.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I guess my meaning was more, they should be taken more seriously then just popping out and doing them for shits and giggles. Like you gotta be in the right frame of mind,know what to expect, prepare for it etc. To me, "recreational" does a disservice to the impact these can have on you. When I think of "recreational" I think more of "haha fun let's get fucked up" and less "I'm going to analyze existence for a while as I melt into a formless being of pure thought and emotion." There's probably a better term for it, but I feel like you get the point and it's just semantics at this point. lol

[–] bunbun@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There is finally a lot of successful research being done into treating mental disorders using psychedelics and drugs in general. Ketamine, psilocybin, LSD, MDMA - they all can be very effective therapeutic tools. But like all tools, they need to be used appropriately and handled properly. Don't go full psychonaut, read up on your issues and see if there's an approach that suits your personal needs.

And get fentanyl strips if you ever buy anything powder. They're cheap, easy to use, normally legal, and can save lives.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My only criticism here is that Ketamine is the devil and, IMO, no one should take that trash. It's like some evil being tried to make its own shitty version of psilocybin but it's just corrupted and evil. It's addictive and does not help you the way psilocybin does. I have been trying to get a friend off it for a while but he can't. He's addicted to it and it hasn't done shit for his anxiety.

Psilocybin on the other hand is amazing. Saved my life when prescription drugs where making me suicidal. Changed my life for the better and I've used it to help several other friends of mine. Idk much about DMT but I hear good things.

And yeah, these things should be treated like medicine, not some recreational thing. I have a friend out once a year. We sit under a tree and look out at a field and trip. We don't talk or anything. Just sit and meditate on life for 3 hours or so. My mental health has been so much better since we started this ritual.

[–] bunbun@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anecdotally I've heard extremely positive things about assisted ketamine therapy/solo trips and severe depression. And in terms of risks it's similar to psilocybin, generally safe and not addictive (test your powders for fentanyl). But I kinda get your sentiment and ultimately agree. Mushrooms are better and more accessible as a foray into using drugs to treat stuck brains. Especially if you're doing it on your own. If anything you just get to spend much longer with your unfiltered thoughts.

Also check out this absolute banger, Kneecap - Rhino Ket.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The CIA has historically used drugs, and especially psychedelics against anti-imperialist and leftist movements. Not only does it give the state an additional pretext for crack downs and arrests, it also negatively affects the movements themselves, damaging their mental state, getting them addicted or just more focused on individualistic hedonism than collective action, leading to de-radicalization and loss of discipline.

Hippie drug culture came with an entire philosophy that was inward focused and esoterical rather than sober and materialist. The bourgeois state is aware of these effects and has purposely cultivated such cultural movements, including in the domains of academia and the arts. Ultimately this is a form of chemical and psychological warfare no less subversive and dangerous than what the British imperialists did when they pushed Opium on the Chinese people.

Yes, as with any drugs they can have legitimate medical and therapeutic uses and the potential to help people with certain conditions, but their use should be controlled and regulated by medical professionals. They should not be criminalized (because criminalization is also a tool of the bourgeois state used to eliminate dissidents and perpetuate legalized slavery through incarceration), but communists should not encourage or trivialize their recreational use.

A serious revolutionary should endeavor to remain sober.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If this was completely true, psychedelics would be legalised.

[–] Comrade_Cat@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 4 days ago

Not necessarily. Keeping them illegal allows the state to eat their cake and have it too. It gives them leverage over those using it illegally, access to black markets, and the ability to use it as justification to arrest and commit violence.

Demonize it enough, like the US has, and your stormtroopers have carte blanche to crack skulls and step on necks of whomever is needed to solve the “drug problem”. That demonization is waning from its 90s highs, but it’s still a very useful tool for the state.

With drugs illegal and popular in counter-culture movements you can use it to weed out the population. White kid with an ounce of weed? Slap on the wrist. Brown kid with an ounce of weed? 5 years of slavery. Just casually reinforcing racism and oppressing minorities.

If they catch someone the state really doesn’t like then they have leverage. Rat out your friends, become an informant, or face prison.

I’m not necessarily against chemical exploration, but the capitalist police state will weaponize it by supplying the black market with cheap drugs, encouraging their use in revolutionary, counter-culture, and minority communities (among others), then scraping up anyone they don’t like. The damage left in its wake is inconsequential.

[–] Commiejones@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 5 days ago

Dmt and Cocaine are both "drugs" but they are nothing the same. Aspirin is also a "drug." Alcohol is a drug though society pretends it is different from other drugs. Everything you eat or smoke alters your brain chemistry. You can get "high" by breathing hard or spinning in circles or eating too much sugar.

Abuse of drugs is usually a symptom of other problems not the problem itself.

Cocaine, alcohol, THC from weed are all foreign to natural brain chemistry. They interact with your system the way natural brain chemicals would but slightly different. DMT is naturally occurring in your brain. It is part of normal brain chemistry while you dream. So if anything DMT is less of a drug than other drugs.

Getting drastically altered occasionally is a normal part of the animal experience. All sorts of animals eat psychedelic mushrooms or get high in other ways.

Doing drugs is not inherently bad. Many great ideas have directly been inspired by drugs. Altering your mind allows you to see the world from a different perspective. This can allow you to see past preconceptions and empathise with people in different situations.

DMT can be an intense experience. It doesn't affect your capacity for reasoning like many other drugs and the effects are rather short lived. This means that even if you aren't having a great time you can stay calm and know that it will end soon. This makes it have a preferential balance between the positive enjoyment and perspective shifting versus the chance and severity of a bad experience.

[–] Zoift@hexbear.net 8 points 5 days ago

DMT is pretty neat, very interesting ride, can find out some things about yourself, meet 4D fractal megabeasts in conversation, become flayed across time to become an art gallery for god. Unpredictable, but so are dreams, and you're smoking dream crystals.

Dont know of a single hallucinogen that is addictive, quite unlike cocaine.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I found psychedelics to be a fun way to relax and bond with friends. Done them quite a few times and they were harmless in my case. Some people abuse them and it can be not so good but the way their tolerance and experience works has a way of making this temporary. Drugs aren't inherently bad, its really about how and why you use them

[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Drugs are bad. Don't use anything addictive or too mind-altering. I think even regular (daily) consumption of coffee is bad but it's one of those things that under capitalism I suppose I understand as a kind of necessary evil.

Mind-control MKUltra drugs which encourage frivolous hedonism, individualism, magical/irrational thinking are of course a weapon of the enemy and often directly fund them and their proxies as well. Escapism would not be a needed thing under socialism as well, they are at most a crutch and I am very suspicious of those who advocate their use. This person you speak of is not a Marxist and may well be a fed.

[–] KrupskayaPraxis@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 days ago

Drugs don't have to be escapism although their use will probably decrease in socialism

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 days ago

eat acid for breakfast