Fediverse

This post about a new Lemmy instance is on topic for this community. You can all have your own feelings about this instance and what it’s trying to do, but a single post here announcing it isn’t spam.

Please stop reporting this post and OP’s comments.

You might have been expecting the response you got here, or you might not have. I know I learnt more about nazi/hate speech dogwhistles in my first few weeks as a Lemmy admin than I had learnt in all my life up to that point 😅.

I also know in those early days there were people worried my instance was a "free speech" instance because I wanted open conversations instead of bans. Mostly I think I didn't appreciate how big of a problem it was, and for sure I had people registered on my instance expecting it was a "free speech" instance. There are people out there looking for a place to spout their hate and many think Lemmy is the place for it because it's advertised as censorship resistant.

Please know that there is a strong belief (among both nazis and anti-nazis) that indicating a place as being able to speak your mind is a dog whistle for allowing hate speech. Over time if you find you aren't attracting the right kind of members, you may need to tweak your wording. But also please know that the idea of supporting people to be better community members instead of flat out banning people does work for many members, because many people just don't realise that what they are saying is harmful. Some people will be operating in bad faith though, and it's typically the same small number of people that keep getting banned. Because you have open registrations, these users are more likely to come to your instance.

It's also important to understand that the Fediverse is full of users that have felt unsafe on mainstream social media. Your rules against hate speech need to be strictly enforced, of you'll find yourself isolated in the Fediverse as no one will want to federate with you.

Lemmy itself doesnt have shadowbans, all ban logs are public.

This either already is or will become a hotbed for rightwing pieces of shit.

Thank you! Pre-blocking this so I won't have any splash damage my main feed. "Open mic" translates too much on nazi or hate baiting nowadays. Open socials need moderation or become chesspools. I do not hang out with toxic people in real life, I don't understand the principle that "I have to" do it digitally. Hard pass. Good luck!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Lemmy already has public ban logs which have reasons listed. I'm not sure what you're really offering here. I think you're being extremely naive and are fundamentally lacking understanding in how oppression and the "marketplace of ideas" functions.

Openmic makes me think there will be audio.

Yeah, it's a shame, "free-speech" gets abused by bad people and it can't be the scope for any platform. I could imagine it being used for other purposes as well. For example I always wanted to run a Piracy community that doesn't remove links or tutorials on how exactly we do it. But that probably also crosses the lines. ...Some other Robin Hood activity... I mean it could be used for good as well, depending on perspective.

Great, wish you the best, but if anything gets illegal is federated to mine that's where I have to defederate. One admin to another wish you luck though.

Caught in some loop, the content warning just keeps popping up when I click Continue. Or maybe my phone is trying to protect me.

Thank you.

Thank you! Don’t hesitate to reach out if I am missing anything, I definitely don’t want anything illegal happening. I am looking for more mods and admin a to help out as well! Appreciate the kind words!

Haha careful on the “marketplacr of ideas” that moniker was claimed by Gettr. Ask me how I know.

It has been my experience that “free speech” (especially online) is code for “bigotry welcome”.

I see nothing in the description here to convince me this will be any different.

So, transphobia, racism, misogyny, all acceptable as long as it's aimed broadly, and doesn't become targeted harassment of an individual?

So if I wanted to start a pro-nazi community there, you would permit that?

Lemmy has bans, no shadowbans. There's no recommender algorithm to make the "shadow" part. Or mod tool to edit votes. I believe you are using incorrectly the term. Please clarify. A ban is a ban. Shadowban is no ban per se, but from there on you post to /dev/null in whichever platform has support for that shit (i.e. meta)