When was this from, and what did he mean by that exactly? The context matters.
He's been way harder on Israel than Trudeau ever was.
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“A Zionist (if you will) Palestinian State that recognizes the right of Israel to exist. Not just to exist but to prosper and not live in fear.”
So he just means a state that doesn't want to wipe Israel off the map. He may not be aware that "Zionist" is a trigger word in far left information bubbles.
That's where the "when" comes up as well. 10 years ago the narrative about Zionism in the West was different.
The clip is linked. He's talking about wanting a Palestinian state that's pro Israel and pro Israeli flourishing.
I guess he means a state that's ok with illegal settlements and apartheid treatment.
Maybe he means one that'll back up Israel's imperialist and aggressive wars in the region.
I guess he means a state that’s ok with illegal settlements and apartheid treatment.
Why would he mean that?
I think it's more likely that he's idealizing a future where Israel and Palestine forget their history and trauma and suddenly become best buddies who root for each other's success because no one is interested in inflicting any more pain on the other. This is a pointless exercise in imagination but it's probably what he's going for with this statement.
Very charitable but valid interpretation.
Extremely poor choice of a loaded word if so.
Either way, reason to be disappointed with him.
Seems to me like it's a good way of trying to make the idea of a free palestine appeal to zionists.
(This is my best attempt at apologism.)
That's where "when from" becomes significant as well. The political calculus around Zionism was pretty different 10 years ago - being anti-Zionist was basically a fringe ideology in the West, and in the mainstream was conflated with being anti-Jewish.
Saying "Zionism" but interpreting it as a two-state solution was kind of a moderate-left take on things.
That's valid, for the record these are recent comments.
Extremely poor choice of a loaded word if so.
Totally agree. And tone deaf too. I imagine how ridiculous would it be to call for an "American exceptionalist" Canada.
Very braindead to hope for a future empathetic view of the agressor if the aggression hasn't even stopped yet.
Good comparison.
I believe in an independent Canadian state but it must be a MAGA state!
It was pointless to imagine France and England would ever put aside their differences... until they did. It was pointless to imagine France and Germany putting aside their differences... until they did. I remember when I was young people said The Troubles would never end. I was told the war in Yugoslavia would go on forever.
People can put aside their differences. There is a Palestinian movement in Gaza that wants peace. Israel in the past has tried to make land for peace deals, but guys like Yasser Arafat fucked it up.
There is a willingness for peace on both sides, it's just the leadership needs to change.
Israel in the past has tried to make land for peace deals, but guys like Yasser Arafat fucked it up.
I mean, some of the current Israeli cabinet assassinated a prime minister to scuttle a peace deal. Let's not pretend one side has had worse faith than another continuously over many generations, because that's fairly impossible.
You might be reading too much into what I wrote. Saying it’s a pointless discourse is not the same as saying that I believe a peaceful resolution is forever impossible.
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The clip is linked, and you went ahead and made up a bunch of shit anyway.
What he actually said was "A Zionist... if you will... Palestinian State that recognizes the right of Israel to exist. Not just to exist but to prosper and not live in fear."
Understand the the word "Zionist" is only a trigger word in leftist bubble world. You've been conditioned to think Zionist = evil demon Jew, but in normal circles it doesn't mean that.
Why are you against there being a Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists?
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Hey zionists. You can chortle my balls.
We need to stand against genocidal wankers!
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