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    [–] palordrolap@fedia.io 21 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    99% of people want a drop-in replacement for Windows that will install and run every possible Windows-compatible application, game and device without them having to make any extra effort or learn anything new. Basically Windows but free (in all senses).

    Any even slightly subtle difference or incompatibility and they'll balk. Linux can never be that, and Microsoft will keep the goalposts moving anyway to be sure of it.

    Sure, a lot more works and is more user friendly than 15 years ago, but most people won't make the time to sit down and deal with something new unless it's forced on them... which is what Microsoft are doing with Win11.

    [–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (20 children)

    More user friendly doesn't mean you won't have to spend hours troubleshooting driver issues that you will never have on Windows, that's a real problem...

    (and when you find the solution you need to input commands in terminal that you can't tell what they do, that's a huge security concern as it teaches users to just trust anyone who tells them to do things they don't understand)

    [–] MudMan@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Man, people really overstate the barrier to entry to the terminal. Windows troubleshooting is full of command line stuff as well.

    It's not the terminal, it's the underlying issues. Having more GUI options to set certain things is nice, but the reality of it is that if an option isn't customizable to the point of needing quick GUI access it should just never break, not be configurable or at least not need any manual configuration at any point. The reason nobody goes "oh, but Windows command line is so annoying" is that if you are digging in there something has gone very wrong or you're trying to do something Windows doesn't want you to do.

    The big difference is that the OS not wanting you to do things you can do is a bug for people in this type of online community while for normies it's a feature.

    [–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    You know whats worse than doing things in windows command line or powershell? The registry

    "Nooooo! I cant $sudo nano /etc/some.conf!!!!"

    Regedit -> HKEY_USERS/microsoft/windows/system/some_setting --> value=FUCK type=DWORD

    [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

    That's because you are sending your Fucks to the wrong key. You are missing the /feedback folder under system

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    [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

    I've used Linux for 25 years now and I remember every time when back then people needed help with windows it was always "go to the registry editor and add the key djrgegfbwkgisgktkwbthagnsfidjgnwhtjrtv in position god-knows-where to fix some stupid windows shit. that, apparently, made windows user ready

    On Linux I'd have to edit an English language file and add an English word and that meant it wasn't user ready

    Yeah, Linux was ready long ago

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    [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    You don't see how terrible Windows is until you've switched to another OS and need to interact with it again.

    The constant pop-ups, the ads everywhere, the settings hidden away.

    It really feels like your PC isn't yours.

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    [–] WASTECH@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    I hate to be one of the “Linux isn’t ready” people, but I have to agree. I love Linux and have been using it for the last 15 years. I work in IT and am a Windows and Linux sysadmin. My wife wanted to build a new gaming PC and I convinced her to go with Linux since she really only wanted it for single player games. Brand new build, first time installing an OS (chose Bazzite since it was supposed to be the gaming distro that “just works”). First thing I did was install a few apps from the built in App Store and none of them would launch. Clicking “Launch” from the GUI app installer did nothing, and they didn’t show up in the application launcher either. I spent several hours trying to figure out what was wrong before giving up and opening an issue on GitHub. It was an upstream issue that they fixed with an update.

    When I had these issues, the first thing my wife suggested was installing Windows because she was afraid she may run into more issues later on and it “just works”. If I had never used Linux and didn’t work in IT and decided to give it a try because all the cool people on Lemmy said it was ready for prime time, and this was the first issue I ran into, I would go back to Windows and this would sour my view of Linux for years to come.

    I still love Linux and will continue to recommend moving away from Windows to my friends, but basic stuff like this makes it really hard to recommend.

    Alright, I have shared my unpopular opinions on Lemmy, I’m ready for my downvotes.

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

    I've been using Linux for over thirty years and the nice looking App Stores that have appeared those last few years have always been shit and have always been mostly broken in various ways. I don't know why.

    On the other hand, the ugly frontends to the package manager just work.

    [–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Windows is just more familiar. It definitely has problems just like this all the time. There's a reason most companies have to have a test environment to try out every update to make sure it doesn't break everything.

    [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Yep. Somehow people forget windows update breaking shit, weird issues, having to go to device manager to uninstall a shitty graphics driver update you didn't want, etc.

    Rose tinted glasses.

    [–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I think you guys have hit the nail on the head. So much of the Linux argument has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with what people already know.

    Everyone forgets the bugs and crashes they've always had to deal with even exist, because they become background noise. Then they change to a new OS and might run into completely new "roadblocks" and cry about how broken and useless the OS is even though their new problems are just as minor (or more so) than the problems they left behind.

    In reality, any OS is a complicated piece of kit. The more you do with it, the more likely you are going to run into something that does something you don't expect - and the more tech literate you believe yourself to be, the more likely you think the OS doing something you don't expect means it is broken.

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    [–] limoncia@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    Linux is ready, but not the professional software devs. Literally only thing stopping me from fully switching

    [–] elrecoal19_1@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    For me it's the multiplayer games, godamm anticheat

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    [–] Shamber@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It like the endless and useless fight between Android and iOS fan boys, it's much simpler than that, you use what you like/comfortable with, you don't need to convince anyone how right you are and how wrong they are, never really understood this weird behaviour from supposedly well educated people. You enjoy Linux, good for you , you like windows, kodus, you're mac person have at it .

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    [–] Emerald@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

    I don't think Windows, Mac, Android, iOS, whatever is "ready yet" either. operating systems are always in development. There are things I can do on my linux machine that I can't do on my windows machine, and vice versa.

    [–] chakan2@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

    Nah...windows 2000 was ready...windows 7 was ready. The enshitification of everything since has had made everything "not ready".

    The end goal of every modern product is to shove ads down your throat. I'll eat a little bit of pain from Linux to avoid that.

    [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    People who are like this today, tried to install red hat 5/6 using popular mechanics magazine as an instruction booklet and with floppy disks

    Either that or they tried to install Open BSD once and survived: https://xkcd.com/349/

    By all standards, a completely understandable outcome

    [–] HStone32@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

    you know, I'm begining to think this whole "readiness" idea is completely arbitrary. The same people who today complain about linux's supposed difficulty, were just fine using their home micro-computer in the 80's. If you ask me, the only people who are defining what "ready" means, is Microsoft's marketing department.

    [–] art@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Let's be real. Most people can't really use Windows, either. Anything harder than clicking the Chrome icon is beyond most users.

    [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

    "Have you tried installing Linux on your computer recently?"

    "WTF is a computer?"

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    [–] imetators@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Ship laptops with LM and people will stray on Linux. Some might switch due to windows OS locked apps like ms365 but for most watching YouTube and maybe managing photos is all they do.

    I run dual boot and honestly, if only all things which run on windows would run on Linux without tribal shamanism rituals, is never ever had to switch. But my favorite DAW is not running Linux. My occasionally useful editing software is not there (but kdenlive is cool tho). My very specific apps for games are not running native or at all.

    When I'm not using these, I just flip a switch and run DAS with Bazzite. And I love it. But you just can't substitute everything windows offers. It is a gaming and working software OS after all.

    [–] TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    A whole lot of people who just do web or email or whatever could live with a Chromebook actually. They don't really need the latest CPU/GPU and gobs of ram and disk space for simple stuff

    [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Some might switch due to windows OS locked apps

    Fusion360 is literally the only reason I still have a windows install. I've had people try to recommend Linux alternatives before, and none of them can match my level of stupidity. If I can't draw a circle in your CAD program without looking up a tutorial, then I really can't design a webcam adapter for my telescope

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    [–] OR3X@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    But it's not ready because insert niche use case that only applies to me and no, I will not seek out open source alternatives to insert closed source software

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    [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

    It is in mixed states of ready. Each distro has something it's ready for and something it isn't. It'd be nice if all the ready parts were in a single distro, but that's an XKCD 927 issue. I am hopeful that Valve puts thought and effort into making SteamOS a solid desktop on top of a solid gaming platform.

    [–] Nugscree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (43 children)

    The main problem still is that for some configuration you still need to use the CLI, the average user does not want to touch that no matter how powerful it is, they want a fully functional GUI that lets you so exactly the same thing but by clicking on buttons. Pair that with drivers that either do not exist or will not work for (some) of your hardware, odd crashed like the Bluetooth stack crapping out and not working anymore until you restart the system, or the system that hangs from hibernation with a black screen. So unless those hurdles are tackled the Linux adoption rate will stay low because the average user wants a system that works, and not one they have to debug.

    I've been on and off different distros of Linux since Ubuntu 6 using Pop_OS! as my daily driver for work a few years now, and the same problems I had then are still here today which is a shame honestly.

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