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Young men are struggling in a slowing job market, even if they have college degrees (www.nbcnews.com)
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Men ages 23 to 30 are discovering that a bachelor's degree doesn't offer the same protection from unemployment that it used to.

Amid a wider slowdown in hiring, the unemployment rate for men ages 23 to 30 with bachelor’s degrees has jumped in recent months to 6% — compared with 3.5% for young women with the same level of education, according to data analyzed by NBC News.

Now, young men with bachelor’s degrees are slightly likelier to be unemployed than young men with just high school diplomas, the analysis found. That’s a recent reversal after decades when young men with bachelor’s degrees had an advantage in the labor market, economists said.

Young women haven’t experienced the same trend; they are still significantly likelier to be employed if they have bachelor’s degrees.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

They looked at four groups...

One men and women were equal.

One men had a higher rate of unemployment.

And two where women had a higher rate, so of course they wrote the article about the 25% that showed men were worse off.

Despite the article admitting the reason for that one demographic was men had a substantial lead. Unemployment got worse for everyone, there's just way more men in the heaviest hit industries like IT/tech

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

of course they wrote the article about the 25% that showed men were worse off.

What do you mean "of course"? In the vast, vast majority of cases, female suffering is given more attention and sympathy than male suffering in the media.

Remember when 11% of killed journalists being women led to a social media campaign from the UN about 'stop targeting women journalists'?

Or when 25% of homeless being women was the focus of articles talking about homelessness?

Or when Boko Haram kidnapping girls generated massive media outrage, while them murdering boys didn't? Even the headlines would make no effort to even mention the sex of it wasn't female: you'd see "schoolgirls" or "girls" for the former, but just "children" or "students" for the latter.

There was widespread outrage about sexism in colleges when women were in the minority of graduates. Today, it's men that are significantly in the minority, and no one gives a shit.

Suicide rates increasing faster among girls than boys is given more attention than the fact that boys are still four times more likely to do it than girls.

"Of course", indeed.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also, under most measures of unemployment, people who aren't looking for work don't count as unemployed, and with the sexism of our society I bet the average researcher would be a bit more willing to just assume a woman wasn't looking for work and that women on average have more opportunities to be stay at home partners. I'm not saying that's the case everywhere, I'm sure there are tons of individual exceptions to it, but I think on the macro level women are probably slightly more prone to dropping out of the labor market in 2025 than men are, at least enough to account for some of this difference.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I think it's more that men tend to pick the highest paying career. And those high paid positions don't keep appearing. Eventually the pace of people getting into the field minus the people retiring is going to surpass the total amount of jobs.

I've always wanted a government jobs report that tries to predict future needs in each industry to guide these teenagers who are expected to pick and commit to a career.

Without any guidance, guys pick the same handful of careers that earn the most, and by the time they graduate there's just literally no open jobs in that field they choose almost half a decade ago.

Women are less likely to value money first, so they're going into fields that remain relatively steady, and that keeps everyone spread out relatively equally.

Like sure, there's guidance counselors, but most of them suck. Especially for public schools.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 months ago

Many young men can’t find work.

No person in the working class making the median wage can afford a minimum wage lifestyle in any state in the USA.

These are not signs of a healthy society.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am in this article and I don't like it.

Mechanical Engineer, graduated a few years ago. Slightly above this age band due to mental health struggles in my 20s. Four years of internships + undergrad research during school. One year, three months of unsteady, career-relevant contract work since then.

Moved from Bumfuck Midwest to a city with plenty of aerospace gigs but can't even get an interview at the grocery store. I'm lucky that my parents and state aid have covered me thus far, have gotten wildly higher-quality mental/physical care here. Behaviourally I'm better than ever but chucking resumes into the void is wearing me down and I'm backsliding on my executive functioning progress.

Employment or a Master's/PhD in Sweden/Germany/EU in general is preferable to the American defense industry but that's a tall and expensive hill to climb (if anyone wants to assist please DM 🙃) and I'm nearly out of time before being faced with moving back home.

I'm tired, boss.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Have you looked in the public sector? The pay isn't as good, but it usually means much better benefits, work/life balance, PTO, and (up until this year maybe) job stability.

Worst case, if you don't like it, you could move somewhere else after you get some experience to put on your resume.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Just today I was made aware of an open position for a high school math teacher that I'm finding myself surprisingly keen on. It is a private/charter school which I'm generally ideologically opposed to but in this case it's geared towards sending underserved children to university.

I was that child, only I received virtually zero support from teachers and made a shitton of mistakes trying to figure out university and adulting with neurodivergence. Helping to prepare guide and inspire the next generation actually sounds incredibly fulfilling.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Without doxxing myself, I moved to the public sector about ten years ago or so, and I will never work for a for-profit enterprise again for the rest of my life, if I can help it. A job is a job, but it's just SO MUCH LESS soul-crushing when you're not part of the capitalist rot.

I can't speak to private schools though... But that sounds fulfilling.

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah the private school thing is the only point of contention. I can't decide whether their willingness to hire non-education degrees is a good or bad thing. I'm reasonably confident in my ability to teach (math especially) but definitely lack pedagogy training. I'm taking their willingness to support my certification as a good sign, just concerned about the meantime.

That said, when my options are teaching math to high schoolers or defense sector...pretty easy choice.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 months ago

Young women haven’t experienced the same trend; they are still significantly likelier to be employed if they have bachelor’s degrees.

A sure as the sun will rise, this will be interpreted by the usual folks to mean that reverse gender discrimination is rampant and must be stamped out as part of anti-woke/dei.

young men with bachelor’s degrees are slightly likelier to be unemployed than young men with just high school diplomas

This, however, will be touted as a huge success and sign of the effectiveness of this administration.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“Young men are struggling to identify class-based oppression due to decades of educational abuse.”

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are you implying young women are employed because they have identified class-based oppression?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nope

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Then how is that relevant to the OP?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

People in general are uneducated about class dynamics and the reasons behind employment relations and unemployment. This means that, in particular, young men see statistics like this and come to incel conclusions.

These class dynamics are obscured intentionally by articles like this.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where are you seeing people coming to "incel conclusions?" ITT?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't, and didn't imply such. It's a general observation about how the statistics referenced exist in a poisoned public discourse.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When I asked how your first response was relevant, you replied that "young men see statistics like this and come to incel conclusions." If you aren't actually seeing people come to that conclusion then your comments weren't relevant.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You do know I was making a top level comment in response to OP right? The world has a toxic masculinity problem that is underlined by the shallow analysis of the article and headline.

It's not a comment about any particular person in this post commentary, unless they are taking it personally somehow. Your 'point of order' is strange. Why do you have a bee in your bonnet?

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, your first comment came off as inflammatory and devisive. Toxic masculinity doesn't explain why young men with college degrees are less employed than those without college degrees, and it sounds a lot like victim blaming. I really don't see how it contributes positively to the conversation at all.

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's a lot of tone policing without real dialogue then! I wasn't explaining a direct cause, just a systemic feature of capitalism, and pointed out an effect of the propagandistic reporting in the link.

If you wanted to discuss causes, you had a chance.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have an associate's and two bachelor's degrees. I get a, "We'll be in touch," from most prospective employers. The others I just don't hear back.

[–] AHamSandwich@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

An associates, bachelor's, and master's here. I've been rejected for being "underqualified" for jobs with no stated or practical education requirement. I just got a job making a bit above 1/3 of what I was making when I was termed seven months ago. I'm incredibly overqualified and I only got it because I was third choice and two PhDs ahead of me backed out after being offered it. The job is just above entry level and has a requirement of an associates or high school and 2 years experience.

It's not you, the job market is just insane.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I've been told I was "too educated" for one job. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] trillnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I blame it on not grabbing internships or work experience but I doubt anyone wouldve hired me then either

[–] trillnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 months ago

get a job at your school, try work study if you can, they feel a responsibility to hire you (I moved away, a lot of my friends eith thag route)