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    Linux is not ready (lemm.ee)
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    [–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I agree with Linus Torvalds. Linux is too fragmented. This makes consistent software deployment and support expensive and far too varied. Maintaining documentation alone requires an unlimited number of distros. From a user's perspective, I really think Linux needs a universal install method like .exe. No user should ever need to use the CLI install software, no matter their distribution. Radarr, for example, is a very popular home media server application. It is one-click install on Windows. It is fucked on Linux.

    [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Flatpak as a software distribution solution already exists and is already widespread.

    [–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Now all we're missing is the universal enforcement piece, which I think is non-trivial. It might take off organically but as per my example above, I'm not hopeful.

    [–] JayDee@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    "Universal enforcement" meaning what? On its face your proposal sounds fundamentally antithetical to what linux is. It's an open source environment, meaning literally anyone can create software and post it online. Are you wanting all directories to only accept flatpak? I don't think that would go over well.

    [–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

    You highlight the issue: Linux users like it to be fragmented. So unless Valve forces consolidation, it will stay a mess, and it will continue to repel average users. If that's what we want, cool. Let's just stop calling every year the year of Linux, because that will never be the case.

    [–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.

    But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA type and have to lean on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.

    [–] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    But once you leave Steam [...] it gets a lot worse

    Heroic Games Launcher is pretty great for games from GOG and Epic. You can run games with Proton just fine.

    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

    Lutris is also a great option, actively contributing to it. Got a slightly different focus than Heroic, but a lot more features as well. Basically a one-stop shop once you got familiar with it. Really needs more people that can contribute though given the huge amount of platforms and launchers it attempts to cover (literally all of them).

    [–] Limonene@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I worry about Wayland for the features it drops from X11. Wayland will never have xdotool support, due to its security model. I worry about onscreen keyboards for drawing tablets and screen readers for the blind.

    [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    This is not true, ydotool already works and there's nothing against that in the wayland design, it just works differently than x, not not at all

    gnome is working on an accessibility protocol for wayland called newton, check it out.

    [–] Limonene@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    ydotool is missing a lot of features. It emulates an input device, so it can only send inputs to the active window. xdotool can send keystrokes to non-active windows, and has features for searching for a window to send to. xdotool can minimize, dismiss, or move windows around.

    I'm aware of newton. It's a work in progress, though, and doesn't have as many features as X11 accessibility has. Although it might have enough features eventually, I worry that X11 will be deprecated by operating system vendors before that.

    [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

    kdotool can do all of those if you're using KDE, but there is no universal solution, not yet.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The fact is, if my favourite game doesn't run on Linux, Linux is dead to me.

    Similarly to some software that has no direct alternatives.

    Which sucks.

    [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    What is your favourite game?

    [–] scemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Sending personal data to Microsoft to see how famous I can become.

    On Linux I feel really lonely and unwanted.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

    Great contra-argument to "this doesn't run on Linux". Some of you are insufferable.

    [–] Draegur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Linux devs will NEVER suffer kernel level anticheat, so all games that require it will refuse to run. This is more of a problem with gaming industry culture at large, really. But it's still only going to affect people who use Linux at the end of the day.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

    Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'd be willing to deal with the downsides of Linux, provided the very core things I do on a PC works. But I have a few things that I have very little wiggle room on.

    [–] courval@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    That wouldn't be a problem for me if it weren't for the dual boot issues.. I could easily switch to windows when I feel like gaming but no way I'm going to risk bricking my windows installation by installing Linux.. Feels like an conspiracy lol when there's a safe way to dual boot let me know

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    The real problem for me is that there's nothing Windows can't do for me that Linux can. So even with a dual-boot setup I just get too lazy to switch, and end up using Windows exclusively.

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    there's nothing Windows can't do for me that Linux can

    Linux can keep your data away from Microsoft

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I'm capable of doing that myself, thanks.

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    No, you absolutely cannot, if you use Windows.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    No, YOU cannot. I can, as well as many other people can. You're just displaying your IT illiteracy.

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Please. You have no idea what my IT literacy is. The fact is that unless you install a non-standard edition of Windows, run one of the many questionable debloat scripts, make dozens upon dozens of edits to the registry, disable automatic updates, and block connections at the network/firewall level, then you will absolutely be sending boat loads of data to Microsoft.

    And the second you do any updates you'll have to make all the changes again, because Microsoft is notorious for reverting those changes.

    And, after all that, you still cannot be completely sure that no data is sneaking its way back to Microsoft unless you diligently monitor all network traffic.

    So I stand by my statement that the one thing Linux absolutely does, that Windows absolutely cannot, is protect your data from Microsoft.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    From "absolutely cannot" to "unless" in one comment. That was fast.

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Like I said, I stand by my statement. You absolutely cannot, unless you want to cut off your system from the internet or block Windows updates outright, you will be sending data to Microsoft.

    This is such a weird hill for you to die on.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Weird hill? You quoted my comment trying to gotcha me, then painting yourself into a corner and essentially walking back on your "argument".

    My original comment stands, there's nothing Linux can offer me that Windows already doesn't. That includes "Privacy" as I am in control over that with my setup and Windows. I do not care what you 'think' about it, I KNOW that.

    Why are you having an aneurism over this, why is it so difficult to grasp this simple concept?

    [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Yes, it's a weird hill to die on. My statement is factually correct. Even if you try to harden your Windows installation with the amount of effort to payoff that's equal to driving across the country to visit your next door neighbour, it's a weird hill to die on.

    there's nothing Linux can offer me that Windows already doesn't.

    Well, if you really want to have that convo, I'm more than prepared for that. Aside from privacy, there's the level of security and performance that Windows only dreams of. This isn't an opinion, these are just facts at this point.

    I do not care what you 'think' about it, I KNOW that.

    I guess you're the only person on the planet who does.

    Why are you having an aneurism over this

    Sounds like you're the one getting worked up. I frankly don't care what you think you know. I don't use Windows for a whole truck load of reasons. If you want to spend hours on end modifying the OS and fighting with built-in defaults, and then convince yourself it's secure. Then go right ahead, its no skin off my back.

    But you're definitely the one getting defensive over Windows.

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Lmao, that's not what "factually correct" means.

    Edit: I'm not defending Windows. I'm just annoyed by annoying people spreading misinformation and assuming that just because they're not capable of achieving something - nobody is. Lack of knowledge and dumbassery.

    [–] crabArms@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Idk, I think it's pretty unlikely "many other people" are modifying and using LTSC edition Windows for personal use.

    Based on your interactions with others, it seems like you're feeling attacked here, so I don't necessarily expect a reply but thought I'd ask anyway-- What changes have you made to enable what you're describing?

    [–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

    There are many communities oriented specifically around privacy and Windows.

    Apparently nothing, since one of the aggressively incorrect Linux fanboys has told me it's impossible. Unless...

    [–] uairhahs@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago

    Fuck Flakpaks! There I said it.