Let me guess, "no foul play is suspected" 🙄
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You can never trust the cops when they rule these cases a suicide so quickly. There is well known bias amongst law enforcement to sweep problematic crimes under the rug, which is why a larger percentage of murders aren't solved in America compared to other nations.
Lynchings especially are crimes of terrorism, where so long as the black community knows they're being targeted, there never needs to be any serious acknowledgement of it being a lynching. In fact, it's better terrorism when the law covers for them. The message is clear: we can murder you and nothing will be done about it. Those in the forces burn crosses.
I totally agree. Women know this about SA as well. The societal gaslighting is part of the oppression. Whatever happens with this case we need to pay attention to these things and at least question them.
Non nazi propaganda title: Black man lynched and hung by white nazis in christian fascist racial attack against minorites.
Fuck these reporters, and the religions that enable to do shit like this with their shitty hate books.
So you want reporters to publish unsubstantiated theories as fact? That's bad reporting.
Actually, basing your reporting only on things that are substantiated excludes other ways of knowing from the conversation, perpetuating white supremacy. Do better, sweaty.
Reporting that he was killed by white Nazis despite no evidence being provided to support that assertion is no different than MAGA claiming that Kirk's killer was a liberal.
You're the one who needs to do better. Journalists should only be reporting facts.
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I'm not saying trust them but
According to APD, Givan also had a bracelet on his wrist from a hospital nearby that revealed he had been admitted the day before. According to officers, they also found a notebook that belonged to him at the scene. "I did watch a little bit of the OBRD (body cam), and I think just reading some of the things that were in his journal — the notebook that was there, led them in that direction.
Seems plausible enough with a follow up unfortunately.
Yeah, I pointed out the currently available evidence. Also disproved the legitimacy of a parallel situation. The misinformation got significantly more upvotes as the factual information and article I linked. People want this to be a hate crime and no amount of proof will dissuade them from believing it is.
How common are hanging suicides for all men? Do we just no hear about other people doing it cuz it’s not sus?
Never believe that a black man being hanged is suicide until there's evidence so clear that it's irrefutable.
The United States still has some dark fucking traditions.
Especially if the hanging occurred in a public or outdoor place. That feels like an unusual choice of venue for suicide but a very common choice for a lynching.
Totally understand what you’re saying and always suspicious to me. Do black men hang themselves less than others tho?
Probably not more nor less, however - it's for damned certain they're hanged by others more.
True
I work in addiction recovery and listen to people share about suicidal ideation, and lost friends/family to suicide. A lot of people that contemplate life take into consideration the world they are leaving behind. Not wanting to burden others, further hurting or shaming family, or honestly leaving a mess - leads people to hanging.
I wonder if a black person would think that hanging themselves would lead to some confusion.
It's the second most common form of suicide in the US. Unfortunately, lost an uncle and cousin to it.
Usually with a comment like that I wouldn't reply like this but you're very, very active in this thread.
Any statistics on public suicided by hanging? Ideally per capita grouped by race.
I had a look myself so I know this is a tall order but I thought it was worth seeing if someone has the info
I take the story personally and thats probably unhealthy.... Shocking amount of suicide and denial of that suicide in my personal life. Anyway, I couldn't get that data together specifically the way you wanted. Closest I could gather was a listing of public suicides over a ten year span 2013-2023.On average around 45,000 people commit suicide a year, about 12,000 of that by hanging. Public is where the numbers got more difficult but there is some info out there, I'll post it below. Numbers below represent a single year based on averages from the 10 year span. So its not common but also nowhere near close to unheard of. I had an AI try to compile specifically hanging public suicides and it said between 10-15% of hanging suicides happen in public. I can include the prompts I used to get you there if you dont trust me. Sources it used were the CDC, National Center for Health Statistics and the National Violent Death Reporting System.
Motor vehicle — 2,363.
Natural area — 1,895.
Street or highway — 1,209.
Hotel or motel — 1,032.
Park/playground/sports/athletic area — 719.
Parking lot / public garage / public transport — 700.
Jail or prison — 654.
Commercial / retail area — 475.
Bridge — 323.
Railroad tracks — 285.
Hospital / medical facility — 178.
In the US, gun is the most-common route.
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https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/data.html
This says 55.33% of suicides in the US are with a firearm.
I once went digging through death statistics on suicides. In Japan, firearms are hard to get, but there are tall buildings all over. Firearms deaths are down, but deaths by falling are way up.
It's very much a locational thing.
Yes your source supports my statement that its the second most common form of suicide in the US. New Mexico also happens to be the 5th leading state in number of suicides to population ratio.
Thanks. Sorry for the family you lost.
I appreciate that. Part of why this particular case is so magnetic for me. It feels like people want to create a divisive conspiracy supported by no evidence. That way they can get some white people bad points. Rather than admit we have a massive mental health crisis happening. Everyone should be trying to help one another, not use a tragedy to divide eachother further.
Do people want this to have been a hate crime?
A couple weeks ago Mississippi authorities said Trey Reed hung himself on his college campus. Colin Kaepernick then stepped in to pay for an independent autopsy for the family who denied their son was suicidal. The results were that blunt force trauma was found and that it was not suicide. The man in New Mexico is having similar calls for independent investigations from friends and family.
Oh damn, I remember the story but hadn't seen the follow up.
The first story you linked, false, one of the several outlits that stated blunt force trauma was involved. You're actively assisting the the spreading of misinformation because you want a specific outcome. The second autopsy information hasn't been released yet. Its almost like the people want this to be a hate crime because it would be easier to cope with. Do you have any idea how rarely the family or friends see suicide coming? It's almost never an open and shut case where the family just accepts it. You know why? Because it's fucking horrifically difficult to rationalize that someone you love so much would just give up and disapear.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/10/08/trey-reed-blunt-force-trauma/
I’m sure that if we ignore all the racism and gaslighting it will just go away. I think with all the attacks on the media and history it’s time to at least question these things. Historically a lot of terror has been committed on our black brothers and sisters while they are gaslit and ignored. 
Or there are the people that ignore the history of lynchings of Black American Men during times of white supremacist backlash. Should people just ignore centuries of abuse not only facilitated but done by law enforcement so that some people can be comfortable during the backlash ?
No not at all, that's not what I'm saying. It's just that there is no evidence to support anything other than suicide. He had no injuries, had an active warrant out for his arrest, had a hospital band on and he was living in emergency housing. It doesn't sound like things were going well for him, a suicide seems so much more likely than a massive conspiracy and cover up. Just looking at the case pragmatically based on the facts available.
What massive conspiracy? They are just racist cops in the south who refused to do an autopsy. There's no "conspiracy" needed.
A black person hanging from a tree in southern US always suggests foul play, and it should always be investigated as such.
If you don't understand why, then you need to read some US history.