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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 40 points 6 days ago (5 children)

At this point, if you buy a smart thing you have to know it's spyware.

[–] pir8t0x@ani.social 4 points 6 days ago
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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 39 points 6 days ago (3 children)

“Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Treasonous malware.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

On paper all of this stuff is a great idea that would make our appliances more functional.

In reality, the best case scenario is that it’s sold to our corporate overlords so they can slap an ad on your refrigerator and sell you more plastic waste.

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/ring-cameras-are-about-to-get-increasingly-chummy-with-law-enforcement/

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

Every single government that has a contract with Palantir for Gotham or even whatever the fuck they're doing with the UK NHS data, is reason enough to know this kind of shit is a bad idea. The entire existence of Palantir makes this kind of shit a bad idea by default.

Even if they're not using lavender or where's daddy (yet), I do not want them to have a detailed layout of my home, in addition to all the other information already being collected.

If the day comes when any government needs to crush civil unrest, Palantir gives them an easy button to weaponize your data against you.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Wait till you find out what your wifi can do.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Port Scanning blocker was eye opening to how many websites just wanted to check in on me.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 days ago

Oh, damn! Thanks for reminding me to add that extension since I reinstalled my browser.

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[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago
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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

I used to be on a mailing list where American companies offered money to people in the third world for menial manual tasks. Like sending pictures of random crap from different angles and such. One time I got an email offering 4 of these things and $100 and all I had to do was put one of them in my home and use it for a week and give the other 3 away. Goes without saying they're clearly a privacy nightmare.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In case anyone's interested, there's actually open-source self-hosted robot vacuum firmware for select models

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is great, but outside the security aspects of things. What else can this firmware do that I can't with say, the roborock? Am I giving up functions?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I literally just installed this last weekend, so the docs are still pretty fresh in my mind. I still recommend you go read through that site to get the full picture and make your own informed decision, but here's my tl:dr.

Valetudo, first and foremost, is intended to enable select models of vacuum robots to operate cloud-free. It's not intended (nor is it feasible) to offer feature-parity with the manufacturers' firmware/apps/cloud services. But in my limited experience, the only feature my robot is missing after installing valetudo is the ability to live-stream video from the onboard camera, which isn't a big deal at all for me (and is something that the dev specifically won't support). Everything else works flawlessly so far. It also allows you to configure just about anything the robot supports configurability for, like pathing algorithm adjustments, obstacle avoidance sensitivity adjustments, and a whole host of other things. I'm not sure if the manufacturer's app even allows that level of configurability (because I never installed it), but I definitely feel like I have full control over my robot, and it functions flawlessly at performing its job of keeping my floors clean.

I think the biggest thing to be aware of is the rooting/installation process may require some soldering (not of the robot, just some through-hole soldering on a separate breakout board to make connecting to the robot's debug port more foolproof), and requires comfortability in a Linux terminal. If those things aren't in your wheelhouse, I'd say this project probably isn't for you.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Yeah that issue has been around for at least a couple years now. Luckily my robovac doesn't have WiFi or bluetooth

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Sheeesh, his fucking mobile phone mapped and photographed his house long ago.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 13 points 6 days ago (5 children)

These arricles are meant to be rage bait for the techno-illiterate. As you said, cell phones mapped your house long ago as well as your smart TV, or any appliance that requires an internet connection.

People traded in their privacy for convenience.

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[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Do you have any source on this? I have never seen a similar article about phones sending a 3D map of your home to the manufacturer.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember about news of some Israeli intelligence operatives who jogged around their HQ only to be outed by their tracks on Strava.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 days ago

I remember army officers and cia folks, specifically. It wouldn't surprise me that israel got caught as well.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

If you have a robot vacuum, and the robot vacuum makes a persistent map (as opposed to the older "dumber" models that just bounce around randomly), they all send that map back to some remote server. In fact, most of those robots won't even enable the mapping feature unless they're connected to the Internet (which is absolute bullshit considering most of those robots generate, process, and store that map locally, so there's literally no reason to send it off somewhere).

So your options are to just use the robot without ever connecting it to the Internet and be happy with the reduced featureset, root the robot and install Valetudo on it, or just vacuum manually. But until manufacturers are forced to let us actually own the smart devices they sell is, under no circumstances should you ever let one touch the Internet.

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 days ago (3 children)

He’s going to have a heart attack to find out that the floor plan to most houses are available online and have been for a long time.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

With possibly objects in the house identified?

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Yeah, but without the correlation that this particular fella is living there. That vacuum might've been the missing link in someone's data collection.

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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 9 points 6 days ago
[–] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I mean, this has been known about for pretty much all smart vacuums.

But who the fuck is going to use the layout of your house for anything?

[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

The secret police

I feel the same way, I dont care really care about them knowing my house layout, but they shouldn't. We cant let companies get away with infringing on our freedoms and privacy.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, UCSC researchers used WiFi to detect a human heartbeat.

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I've been looking into robotic lawnmowers, and they're basically the same. The more primitive ones have a hall effect sensor under their snout feeling for a wire you bury around the edge of your yard, and do the "go until you hit something, turn a random amount, repeat until low battery, follow perimeter to dock" or they require phoning home in some way, shape or form.

Meanwhile, some guy's got an open source system that runs on a Raspberry Pi on the mower itself.

I guess I'm willing to believe that some of the LIDAR or camera-only guided mowers need some serious processing power to create the maps they use for guidance around the yard, and that's more practical to do on the company's servers than on the device itself...except not really; we've got decently powerful ARM SoCs that don't cost much, don't take a lot of power to run, and can do that job. The reality is, you can't get a pedometer app for a smart phone that doesn't broadcast sensor telemetry to two continents these days.

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