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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

When it comes to the general public I remember a lot of people being pissed off at Obama for the exact same shit. I was also in highschool when he was president so I don't really remember how I felt about it (it was almost half my lifetime ago) but I do remember it being unpopular. I probably had a pretty shitty opinion about it because it was like 15 years ago and I'm pretty sure everyone my age had shitty opinions. I often catch myself thinking about what it was like when Obama was president and I'm like "dude, you were basically 12 when he first got elected. You don't remember shit about what it was like."

If you are still defending it now I honestly don't know what to say. Especially the politicians that weren't basically children when this happened. Y'all were there and did nothing.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep, I even remember reading that people wanted the Nobel committee to rescind the prize after he launched the murder drone program.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

When it comes to the general public I remember a lot of people being pissed off at Obama for the exact same shit.

Sure, but liberals still love him to death. See: The vote ratio on this post. I was too young for politics then, but I seriously doubt he was getting criticized as harshly as Trump is being right now. I mean Jeffries had to announce that the Dems aen't going to try to impeach Hesgeth (which they should absolutely do, don't get me wrong). Even if it's disapproval there's clearly a big difference in the amount of disapproval, as evidenced by how people tend to react to "Obama is a war criminal" vs "Trump is a war criminal."

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Nah, I downvoted too. Liberals weren't happy about it then either, and just because they'd rather have an Obama than a Trump doesnt mean they were OK with everything Obama did.

Acting like a single issue (that people absolutely were upset about, and resulted in lawsuits, hearings, etc) suddenly means they should be OK with Trump doing it, or getting revisionist and pretending people were celebrating these strikes at the time because Obama did it, that's kind of ridiculous to me.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Plus I think a very clear distinction is that Trump and his team are clearly enjoying it. I think it's disgusting no matter what, but if I had to choose between two murders I'd prefer the one that doesn't have fun doing it.

And this whole blame game bullshit never gets us anywhere. Yeah, sure, Obama did awful things. But what I wanna know is why we are still doing awful things? We could just, you know, not bomb random fucking people all over the world. People are dead and we're just arguing about who killed more people while more people continue to die. It's just so... Unhelpful.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The main target of this meme isn't Obama , but rather liberal hypocrisy. Double tapping is just the latest example of it, but while Obama is mostly a non-issue (though he still has influence within liberal circles and should be remembered for the monster he is) this double standard is still relevant because attacking the right for doing awful shit is one way liberals gain political capital to use for their own awful shit.

Besides, this is a post on c/leftymemes, not a dissertation, so I'm not sure why it should be "helpful."

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense. It's unhelpful because it doesn't further the conversation. All it does is point fingers and pit people against each other which is exactly what this comment section has turned into. And whether it was done intentionally or unintentionally, it's basically ragebait. Now we are all arguing in the comments about things in the past that we can't change and what peoples opinions were 15 years ago and why that has anything to do with people that are dying today.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago

Anybody from any political standing could say the exact same thing that you just said but compare any other president within the last 100 years about any other topic and their point would still make sense.

Feel free to do so, then.

It's unhelpful because it doesn't further the conversation.

It does, because there's a clear lesson to be learned from liberal flipflopping regarding the morality (or I suppose tolerability would be a better word) of whatever the evil thing du jour is: Just because liberals situationally agree with you, it doesn't make them any less anti-worker. Leftists helping liberals beat a common enemy and then getting the boot after they stop being useful is a tale as old as time, so it's important to remember what these people actually stand for. This is why so-called "unity" with liberals is such a ridiculous idea.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's just so... Unhelpful.

This is my biggest complaint about posts like these. Not only wrong, but completely unhelpful.

[–] WallsToTheBalls@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And unproductive, pointlessly divisive, and creating a boogeyman out of potential allies

Leftists shootings themselves in the foot. Practically an icon.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 3 months ago

I don't consider war crime apologists potential allies. Woe is me.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

See: The vote ratio on this post.

My downvote (not being a liberal) is mostly because you don't seem to understand that quite a few actual liberal also criticize(d) Obama for the drone strikes.

People can think two things are bad.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

Again, there's a clear difference in the amount and intensity of criticism being levied by the average liberal. How many people were calling for Obama to be tried for war crimes in 2013?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yikes these comments, if you're on leftymemes defending obama, you're either lost or trying to impressyour handler. This guy turned a sovereign state that was among the more productive in the region into an open air slave trade state. And no there was virtually no pushback on him unless you wanna count the tea party demonstrations.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

Oh shit you caught me. 🎣

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Jesus fucking christ. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄