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I read an old thread documenting the opinions of Lemmy maintainers an the .ml instance. The issue of funding a project with people openly expressing opinions many find distasteful and it being the biggest reddit alternative on the fediverse came up, so here's a topic to discuss it.

What should we do? What are the options?


Answer: No fork necessary, there are Piefed and Mbin.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I read an old thread documenting the opinions of Lemmy maintainers

For what it's worth, that thread is openly biased with many of those examples being strawman quotes and misframing events, like a non-sequitur troll post ban being framed as "support for Ukraine". And frankly, some of those points are cm0002 themselves intentionally trolling, like dubiously reporting a political meme as "Propaganda".

Personally I think the main devs are terrible at forum moderation. I'm aware that they're chronically overworked, and that .ml is not intended to be a neutral or liberalist general-purpose instance, and I'm aware that it's very normal for moderators to be bad at moderating, and yet that doesn't detract from my belief that they're technically bad at moderating a forum. For example, simply writing "rule 1" as a ban reason allows people to misinterpret bans as we're seeing here. Automate that shit, prefill ban reasons with the rule list! Make clearer rules and FAQs describing how memes and talking points considered normal in the US are actually chauvinistic propaganda!

As for a fork or rewrite, like others have said, alternatives already exist, but I also don't think this is a case where maintainer opinions are harmful to the user or project (even if I disagree with some). They're devout anticapitalists, which makes their FOSS and anti-enshitification positions clear, I know it won't sell out in five years. They only have power over their own instance, which one is welcome to not join or block.

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

How dare are you a communist😑😑😑 Accept freedom and democracy in your country πŸ¦…πŸ¦…πŸ¦…

The thought-police strike again.

I have the mindset of taking any idea that works for yourself and use it for your purposes. Like we should be stealing ideas from big tech and foss-ing them. Id assume big tech is worse than this maintainer

But what would the fork look like? Finding the maintainer contribution and rewriting them?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you can block the tankie instances on lemmy, and any community too, i blocked the triad, and politics,.world, and any individual account that are from those tankie instances.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Just a quick note that PieFed allows you to easily block all users from a given instance, like a personal defederation with no need for admin powers. Your way also works, but you'd have to block thousands of users individually, plus new ones that sign up later.

While in contrast the option that looks like it would work easily, the "instance block", in fact is strongly misleading - still allowing those users to vote on your content, reply to you, submit posts in other communities, DM you, triggering notifications, etc. Essentially it does not "block" the "instance" at all, only muting communities hosted on them.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

So far no one who's able and willing to do the work for a fork has done it so I assume the motivation is low. There's alternate pieces of software mentioned here that have their pros and cons.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 2 points 1 week ago

PieFed and mBin exist. Both do everything Lemmy does, and a bit more. They use less resources as well. What reason would there be for forking Lemmy? The only reason Lemmy is the most popular one among these is that it was the first one. Since then, better things have surfaced.

[–] 7uWqKj@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does the term "freedom of opinion" have any meaning to you?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago

Did the OP say they can't have those opinions?

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