I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.

Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Sorry, it had to be done. (But is actually misquoted)

[–] Strawberry@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It had to be done.

I personally like the one where they hear about linux without gnu and just die. Very enjoyable. I expect a good continuation on gnu hurd & gnu without linux eventually.

[–] LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as dying, is in fact, cardiac arrest/asphyxia, or as I've recently taken to calling it, CA plus asphyxia.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

I cannot wait until GNU HURD is ready and the GNU/Linux crowd migrates to it.

The rest of us can then replace Glibc with musl, GNU utils with UUtils, GCC with Clang and we will not have to listen to this GNU/Linux crap anymore.

I mean, all the GNU stuff is great and I use them all the time. But it is ridiculous in 2026 that people want to brand the entire OS with the makers of 3% of the packages (all of which have world-class alternatives). Especially since almost all of those packages are majority authored by Red Hat.

GNU is great and massively important historically. But the end of the GNU/Linux nonsense cannot come fast enough.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's not misquoted, since the wall of text is the copypasta itself which is a parody of the kind of person who would call it GNU/Linux during conversations instead of official documentation.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I mean linux distros are in effect kind of like a bunch of different OSes all based on the linux kernel.

It definitely would have been more helpful for them to describe it as a distro though

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

linux is a kernel

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I honestly just assume that anything that's not windows or Mac/iOS is just Linux with extra bloat.

And here comes the corrections....

[–] entwine@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Linux is not an operating system:

Ubuntu is an operating system
Fedora is an operating system
Archlinux is an operating system
MOS is an operating system

[–] entwine@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

So TLDR is that this is Proxmox for the systemd hate club?

[–] SinTan1729@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

To each their own, but I really don't see the point of these distros. I usually just install Debian or AlmaLinux on my homeservers and build on top of it. I guess extra tooling can be helpful, but I've never felt the need for it.

[–] stewie410@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I've somewhat recently taken TrueNAS to avoid the headache of DKMS for ZFS support.

While it is nice to know I basically don't have to worry about that, the rest of it is pretty painful -- I can't even install a package without manually running it in docker.

We've in a CentOS/Rocky shop at work until recently, moving to Debian.

If I has to redo my NAS, is take Debian or something and call it a day. The hassle of TrueNAS and similar distros do not really seem worth it, if you want more control.

[–] SinTan1729@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, ZFS support can be a bit annoying to deal with. I use kmod packages, but have faced small issues in the past. It's usually pretty easy to resolve them, tho. Just stay on an older kernel for a few days.

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 4 points 1 month ago

I recommend YunoHost for anyone who wants this sort of thing. Very simple to use.

This might be a good alternative if I get tired of YunoHost some day though!

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's looks like it's trying to be the Mint of self hosting?

It's based on Devuan which is based on Debian. Like Mint is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why not just cut out the middleman? :P

Do not cut out the middleman until you are ready to start digging down into the root cause and learning the correct diagnostic tools.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Devuan objects to some of the engineering choices in Debian, like systemd.

The authors of this project are clearly not systemd fans.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 1 points 4 weeks ago

I've been a fan of MASH, an ansible playbook that can host a lot of stuff.

I only have experience with their separate Matrix playbook, but it is super robust and I haven't ran into any problems the playbook couldn't deal with (aside from running out of VM disk space once), so I'd expect this would be similarly good.