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This is a dumb meme because the whole argument is that if Iran gets nukes then we won't be able to attack them.
However I do think it's funny how many of the justifications for the unprovoked attacks on Iran sound exactly like Russian justifications if you just switch a couple names around:
Iran having nukes is a threat to the US security/Ukraine joining NATO (which would allow them to station nukes there) is a threat to Russian security
Iran's government is full of radical Islamists/Ukraine's government is full of Banderite Nazis
Iran is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Israel, as part of their aim to exterminate Jews/Ukraine is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Donbass, as part of their aim to exterminate Russians.
It's very silly how all these arguments are accepted as "obvious" and reasonable when it's our side, but flip the picture and it suddenly it becomes just as "obvious" that those lines of reasoning are not valid. At no point is either Iran or Russia's perspective seriously considered because they're the bad guys and we're the good guys, whether and to what extent those reasons are valid simply flips depending on who's using them.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
I'm confused why people are downvoting you
Yeah but Ukraine was aggressive.
Russia is making it into a neutral neighbour akin Canada.
BS comparison.
Everything you mention is wrong
I present to you Bloomcole, Lemmy's stupidest user. Give them a hand!
Yeah that's about the level of argument I've come to expect from y'all: "Nuh uh."
I can refute every lie but why waste time, people probably know.
You've got nothing and you know it
Are you sure it's you who can refute all my points, or is it your girlfriend who goes to another school but is totally real guys, trust me, who can?
o my such a mature comment
You chose this level of discourse, don't complain about the bed you made.
You're still perfectly welcome to engage in an intelligent way, as I have, but if you start going, "Uh uh, you're wrong bc reasons, no you don't get to know what those reasons are but they totally exist" then I'm gonna bring it down to your level.
I just humored the other guy (or your alt) since it was somewhat civil.
And I can't go around correcting everyone's or your many wrong statements, I would be here all day.
The weather is good and I'll be in the garden with some cocktails.
You can't correct anyone lol, maybe lay off the cocktails and do some reading
That's not my alt. I was civil too, your dickishness was completely uncalled for.
Cry about it
Correction: i got the accounts/comments I was responding to mixed up, my bad
Now see, this is an alt.
Everything is an alt/bot/troll, everyone who disagrees with you is fake, the only correct opinions are the ones you were given by the US state department, excellent work patriot
Correction: i got the accounts/comments I was responding to mixed up, my bad
That's literally what the other person said, and what you told me to "cry about"
Tell me you've never read a single thing I've written without telling me. Point to one time when I voiced an opinion, or one view you think I hold that's consistent with the US state department, dumbass. I'll wait.
"Someone else said stupid thing first" lol k, you're still stupid
I also don't care at all what you claim to have said before, you are currently engaged in the enthusiastic defense of state department justifications for another war in the middle east, they're bullshit like always and the only people pretending otherwise are incurable morons and warmongers
Correction: i got the accounts/comments I was responding to mixed up, my bad
You first said the thing that you're now saying is a stupid thing to say, so what does that make you?
If you weren't such a fucking idiot, you'd realize this is friendly fire - I don't disagree with your political views, as far as I'm aware. But you just want to attack me for no reason because you refuse to take five seconds to distinguish friend from foe.
You were arguing with someone else dumbass, now you're arguing with me, not an alt, keep up
Correction: i got the accounts/comments I was responding to mixed up, my bad
I'm aware, dumbass, when you said, "Cry about it" you took their side and reaffirmed them accusing me of being an alt. So, you accused me of being an alt first.
I really encourage you to stop trying to exchange these pointless snipes and actually look into any of my beliefs and views on literally anything.
Correction, you're right that I got you mixed up with the other account, my bad
Christ, like literally what was I supposed to say to get out of that?
Get out of what?
Douche!
Cry about it
Get out of you attacking me. What should I have said, exactly, to get you to realize I wasn't your intended target sooner?
Nothing, you already said it, past that just get over it and move on with your day
M-m-m-megadouche!
Weep
Asshole.
You're far too fragile to be on the internet
Summer's Eve Double Down!
Continue crying about it
I told you like three times that you had no reason to come after me and that if you took five seconds to check you'd realize it. Is that an effective means of promoting your ideology? By randomly attacking the people who share it, and who are also promoting it?
If I didn't 100% agree with you, I'd hate your fucking guts.
Never gave me a chance to explain, still not apologizing for your mistake, still going on the offense without backing down, if you're gonna run around acting like that, maybe we'd be better off if you weren't on our side. Do some fucking self-crit.
I absolutely did already apologize, and edited every one of my prior comments to acknowledge my mistake, feel free to scroll back up and check. If getting your feelings hurt makes you feel even a little bit like having less people on "our" side then you've got absolutely no business engaging in public forum discourse. Shrug it off, get over it, get over yourself, move on.
You said "my bad" and went back to hurling abuse. It's not about "getting my feelings hurt," it's about having a dickhead representing our side and turning away potential comrades through demeanor.
You even put "our" in quotes just now, as if you're still not admitting that you were mistaken, still treating me as an enemy after recognizing you were dead wrong, after doubling and tripling down on it. Again, do self-crit, you're trying to shrug off all responsibility onto me for taking offense rather than yourself for fucking up and having zero self-awareness.
If by "hurling abuse" you mean asking you to clarify and then telling you that you're fragile, but the fact that you characterize my responses that way indicates pretty strongly that I'm right. I reiterate, get over yourself.
At absolutely no point did you do this. I did clarify, several times, and you completely refused to hear it.
Incredibly narcissistic way to characterize your behavior, completely lacking in self awareness. Link me to the comment where you "asked me to clarify," literally your initial comment was "cry more."
"Get out of what?" was a straightforward clarifying question accompanied by absolutely nothing else, nobody in their right mind could construe it as abusive. You are clearly still dealing with some powerful emotions that are getting in the way of you thinking clearly. You should log off and take a walk, get some fresh air, and get over it.
Again, trying to push all the blame onto the person you attacked, extremely toxic behavior.
You should take your own advice and log off. Reply again if you want me to block you.
Wrong, I admitted that I got you confused with the other commenter and made it clear through edits to all of my previous comments that it was a mistake on my part. Your insistence on pretending that didn't happen is beginning to rub my sympathy for you a little thin. If you don't take that walk pretty soon I'm going to have to hurt your feelings again and we both know you won't handle it well.
Didn't read, request granted.
Works for me, long as I don't have to see any more multi-paragraph "your apology was inadequate therefore you are a liberal narcissist abuser" comments
Can we settle for one? Should easily take less time to post than your last two baity comments ;)
Sigh, OK the first one: "Iran having nukes is a threat to the US security/Ukraine joining NATO (which would allow them to station nukes there) is a threat to Russian security"
1 Iran doesn't have nukes nor is it rying to, so that's anxcuse.
It is in no way comparable to NATO (which actually has nukes and is agressive) stationing them close to Moscow with no time to react.
That is a red line acknowledged and stated many times both by Russia and the US who were fully aware they wouldn't take it.
Well, kudos where is due for giving one of your opinions! Helps everyone better understand where you're coming from. Your point that it is an unfair comparison would have more weight IF the position of Iran not working towards nuclear weapons is correct. (As NATO does have nuclear options, Ukraine joining NATO would be akin to arming Ukraine with nuclear weapons)
In any case this is not the opinion held by the current proponents in the conflict, whether rightly or wrongly, so I believe Objection is entitled to their opinion.
Lmao so you reply to someone else but not to me.
Wait, your objection is that the comparison is too unfavorable to Russia? That's the opposite of what I thought your problem was, which was that you were pro-war in Iran and anti-Russia, and took exception to the comparison based on that. This misunderstanding could have been avoided if you had, in any way, actually stated your positions from the start instead of acting like a dick for no reason. It also makes your, "everybody already knows why you're wrong" statement even more ridiculous, considering that we're having this conversation on .world.
My point is not to argue that these lines of argument are inherently valid or invalid, but to point out the contradiction of people who support US intervention in both Ukraine and Iran categorically accepting these lines in one case and categorically rejecting them in the other. You'll note that I said:
Ideally, both perspectives should be considered and the lines of argument should be examined for validity on a case by case basis. However, if someone blindly accepts/rejects them in one case, refusing to even consider the other side's perspective, then they're being hypocritical if they don't do the same in the other.
Again, you completely misinterpreted me and, because you decided to be a dick about it, only now do I have a chance to explain myself.