I'd like to thank the mods for leaving conflicting comments up. I've seen too many echo chambers going up on lemmy. Appreciate you all. Also appreciate those I don't agree with for sharing their ideas, calling me out on mine and sometimes changing my mind, and taking the time for discourse. Those who argue in bad faith, have no open mind, and pretend to have empathy, fuck yourself.
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You don't need to attack a country killing innocent peasants/people. Kill the king and the criminal organization who manages that piece of dirt (country). But it never happens, because of the goal is clearly a depopulation in all the "kingdoms" until peasants obey and delusionally pay tribute to the criminal organizations who control and kill them.
All this thread tells me is how little memory people have. Late into Obama's office, he brokered a deal that would have reduced Iran's ability to create wmds in exchange for lifting sanctions while giving the rest of the world the ability to monitor them to make sure they actually stop trying to make a wmd. Trump infamously cancelled this deal early into his first run and now people are acting like he's doing a good job by wanting to attack Iran- Trump created this problem in the first place!
Trump created this problem in the first place!
That's his whole strategy and always has been. Manufacture a crisis when something doesn't go right and reduce risk of getting closer to an orange jumpsuit. Ever notice nobody is talking about the Epstein Files now? He always pops ninja smoke. Only his poof of smoke is this giant splatter of shit that makes a mess for everyone to clean up while he escapes. The other big factor of this is that 75 million Americans are happy to clean all that up and ask for more.
Trump created this problem in the first place!
I think it's good to be absolutely crystal clear on what the problem is. Iran is not building nuclear weapons. They say this themselves, and the entire American intelligence community, as well as the UN's IAEA agree that they haven't since 2003. The amount of evidence that Iran is building WMDs is exactly the same as it was for Iraq in the early 2000s (i.e., non-existent). So that's not the problem.
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Warmongering and unconditional support is bipartisan.
Biden never did anything to fix it, they're invariably 'sabotaged by the other side and powerless', same as with every other issue.
Like when Trump unilaterally ended the missile treaties.
If anything Biden escalated tension with Iran with some aggresive actions.
And anyway Iran never was planning to get nukes.
They are an advanced country and have nuclear energy which is their right.
The scaremongering lies by the genocide state and their big bully friend do not change that.
If anything, I hope they change their mind and start working on a nuke since they invariably get provoked and attacked for no reason.
This is a dumb meme because the whole argument is that if Iran gets nukes then we won't be able to attack them.
However I do think it's funny how many of the justifications for the unprovoked attacks on Iran sound exactly like Russian justifications if you just switch a couple names around:
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Iran having nukes is a threat to the US security/Ukraine joining NATO (which would allow them to station nukes there) is a threat to Russian security
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Iran's government is full of radical Islamists/Ukraine's government is full of Banderite Nazis
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Iran is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Israel, as part of their aim to exterminate Jews/Ukraine is firing ordinance off at civilian targets in Donbass, as part of their aim to exterminate Russians.
It's very silly how all these arguments are accepted as "obvious" and reasonable when it's our side, but flip the picture and it suddenly it becomes just as "obvious" that those lines of reasoning are not valid. At no point is either Iran or Russia's perspective seriously considered because they're the bad guys and we're the good guys, whether and to what extent those reasons are valid simply flips depending on who's using them.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
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