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    [–] nUbee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It would seem that GNU/Linux or Linux (whatever the user-accessing operating system is called) is the only OS that must mention its kernel. No one calls Windows the NT operating system, nor does anyone call Mac OS the Darwin operating system. So why should Linux be the exception?

    When I think of GNU, I think of a project that had a very particular goal in mind: build an operating system that replaces Unix with entirely free software. The project got nearly all the way there, but before they got a usable kernel working, Torvalds licensed his kernel with the GPL. With the Linux kernel combined with GNU, we have an OS the GNU project set out to create. So why should Torvalds get all the credit? Without calling the OS GNU, most people don't even know how or why it came to be.

    I could see a valid argument to just simply call the OS GNU. It was the name the original team gave the project to have a fully functional OS made with entirely free software. True, Torvalds didn't write Linux for GNU, but neither did the X Window System. A Kernel is essential for operation though, so I can see why the name GNU/Linux was proposed.

    [–] homura1650@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

    Because the thing people refer to when they say "linux" is not actually an operating system. It is a family of operating systems built by different groups that are built mostly the same way from mostly the same components (which, themselves are built by separate groups).

    [–] bravesirrbn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Maybe it just boils down to "Linux" simply sounding better when pronounced

    Just like e.g. most people just say "velcro" and not "hook-and-loop" as the company Velcro itself wants people to call it.

    [–] nUbee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

    And that's a tragedy because that convenience of pronunciation comes with the cost of losing credit for the group that started the whole thing. Because only "Linux" is used, many people think Linus Torvalds developed/invented the entire operating system.

    Hook and loop being called Velcro doesn't hurt Velcro the same way because they still have all the credit for making it. The only problem they face is losing a trademark.

    [–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    "The OS" doesn't exist. The operating systems you're talking about are called Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, RHEL, etc etc. The main work of making an actually usable OS from the various free software components others have written has always been done by the teams responsible for these products.

    But we still need a way to refer to them collectively, and it used to make sense to call them "Linux" because they were pretty much the only operating systems that used the Linux kernel, but now that Android is the most widely used OS on the planet, it doesn't anymore, and this alone is a reason to say GNU/Linux unless you want to include Android.

    [–] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Systemd/GNU/Linux/GTK or Systemd/GNU/Linux/QT, really…

    [–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    GTK being a part of GNU (at least originally)

    Sure, I should have gone further.

    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/GNU BASH/Linux/X11//GTK/GNOME
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/GNU BASH/Linux/X11/GTK/LXDE
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/X11/GTK/GNOME
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/X11/GTK/LXDE
    SysVInit/musl/Busybox/tcsh/Linux/csh
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/Wayland/QT/KDE Plasma
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/Wayland/QT/LXQT

    etc, etc.

    There are thousands of combinations of the possible layers needed to make an OS.