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Not my stances personally just other threads I have lurked in. I have just observed that in other threads there tends to be the majority that thinks A is the right answer on the given topic and if anyone drops by and says "well I don't think B is entirely incorrect" they get downvoted or banned.
Not exactly a place for great discussion to take place.
some opinions don't deserve the time of day. it's concerning that you dodged my question.
I fundamentally disagree. Just because you or I may not like someones opinions doesn't mean I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to have them.
You can't stop people from thinking what they think. If you silence them or shut them out they arent going to suddenly change their opinions on things. If anything that will just cause most people to double down. The only way change happens is if they are constantly running up against other opinions and they realize that maybe their own stance doesn't line up with what they think anymore.
I'm sure we all had opinions as kids and then we learned something at school that changed our opinions on something. Had we been shut out of the conversation or learning that new thing because of our initial opinions we never would have heard the other perspective or info that ultimately caused us to reevaluate our own stances.
I believe being able to have conversations with someone you disagree with is a fundamental requirement for a functional society.
Do fascist opinions deserve the light of day? Should we tolerate cryptofascists JAQing off on Lemmy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Part of the issue is with what YOU label as a fascist and what others would label as fascist may not align. It's like freedom of speech. As soon as you start trying to make exceptions it becomes a slippery slope of who is the one enforcing it and from what view point. Either it's all ok to be discussed or none of it is.
You certainly don't have to agree with them, but I don't think banning them or trying to cut them out helps anything in the long run. If anything it's makes the problem worse because then they are only around people that have their same views and their opinions dig in deeper and start multiplying.
You can't defeat hate by trying to cut it off.
It's head. yes, that's exactly what you do with hate. You don't debate it, you don't listen to it, you don't teach it. you kill it with fire.
Ok so hypothetically what if everyone suddenly thought YOU were a fascist instead? Should we just kill you because we have deemed your stances dangerous and therefore we should end it?
Like you said we don't talk to you. We don't debate with you. We dont try and change your opinions. We just kill you because we disagree and it's ok because we made sure to label you as a group that's ok to do that with before we did it.
You don't see the issue with this line of thinking?
"what if it was opposite day and you were defending fascist opinions instead of me" really isn't the gotcha you think it is. words have meanings.
That's not what I was saying. Good lord you are dense.
fuck you dude you're a misogynistic asshole and you're right that you're not welcome around here, go back to reddit
Well aren't you a bundle of joy.
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