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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al to c/fedigrow@lemm.ee
 
 

!Witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca is under new management. It's a really positive and interesting group of posters with an interest in witchcraft, supporting women and feminism. It's picking up redfugees and definitely worth checking out.

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!fediverse@piefed.social

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40460535

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There are two fairly active communities with almost identical topics:

The community on ml is named "crows" but its scope includes "crows, ravens, and other corvids".

Taking into account the community names, overlapping topics, instance size, and other issues with ml, might we consider consolidating towards sopuli.xyz?

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https://grafana.lem.rocks/d/bdid38k9p0t1cf/federation-health-single-instance-overview?orgId=1&var-instance=lemmy.world&var-remote_instance=aussie.zone

Parallel sending of federated activities to other instances. This can be especially useful for instances on the other side of the world, where latency introduces serious bottlenecks when only sending one activity at a time. A few instances have already been using intermediate software to batch activities together, which is not standard ActivityPub behavior, but it allows them to eliminate most of the delays introduced by latency. This mostly affects instances in Australia and New Zealand, but we’ve also seen federation delays with instances in US from time to time. This will likely not be enabled immediately after the upgrade, but we’re planning to enable this shortly after.

https://lemmy.world/post/23471887

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Community is !4chanFails@feddit.nl

Sidebar description is:

A community dedicated to documenting and debunking fallacious arguments and misleading claims found on 4chan. Whether it’s cherry-picked statistics, misleading comparisons, or outright fabrication, we shine a light on the worst logic the imageboard has to offer. Share screenshots, analyze arguments, and discuss where they go wrong. Whether it’s science denial, historical revisionism, or bad math, let’s break it down!

Could it be disproved with 5 seconds of research? Then it will fit in perfectly here!

Anyway I think it's criminally under-subscribed, so maybe check it out :)

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Following up on this thread: https://lemm.ee/post/58774156?scrollToComments=true , which was used to announce people that we were moving (similar to https://lemmy.world/post/24312613)

General feedback was negative.

Lessons learned: find a way to notify only subscribers

An admin told me that if this kind of action os coordinated with the community instance admins, they could consider sending a mass direct message, which could then also target only subscribers.

This would require direct database access.

For context, the previous experience was https://lemmy.world/post/24312613

Feedback there was

thanks, I’m sure I only shitposted one time here about football’s cultural atmosphere or game theory/sportsmanship in general.

Thank you for the heads up folks

As a lemm.ee user myself, I approve of this.

I saw the automod tag everybody, and that’s a really nice solution you’ve come up with

I’m also not subscribing to the new one b/c I’m starting to get annoyed with the notion that communities need to be consolidated. That’s not a discussion for this post, though.

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Why consolidate communities?

One of the advantages of a decentralized platform like Lemmy is the ability to create parallel communities on the same topic. "You don't like how a community is being moderated? Go to another instance and start your own community!" (with or without blackjack and hookers)

However, this is a double-edged sword. The creation of multiple communities on the same (or similar) topics can also fragment the userbase, leading to very sparsely populated communities.

A few perspectives in favour of consolidation: (click to expand)https://sh.itjust.works/comment/11171955

I think until there’s some tool or system that helps collate all the information out here, fragmentation is detrimental to growth.

I’m not going to copy and paste the same comment with every mirrored post.

So sometimes commenting feels like a waste of time.

Centralizing helps ensure that there’s vibrant, consistent discussion which is what Lemmy should be about.

https://lemmy.ca/comment/8823953

I like this because people showing up to those communities might think that topic doesn’t have activity on Lemmy, when it actually does.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/8370860

I sometimes think that unmoderated communities should be closed, and just be left and locked with a pointer to the active one. In case an issue arises with the active one, they can still be unlocked and used as back up.

Credits to @Ashyr@sh.itjust.works, @otter@lemmy.ca, and @Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone

How consolidate communities?

While consolidating communities can counteract userbase fragmentation, it is not an easy process for users to do, and so I thought I'd write up and share this guide.

Taking inspiration from @popcar2@programming.dev's excellent blogpost, let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where the pancake userbase on Lemmy is heavily fragmented, could benefit from consolidation.

Step 1: Identify duplicates

Search lemmyverse.net/communities for 'pancakes', as well as common synonyms (hotcake, griddlecake, flapjack). In our hypothetical scenario, we get the following search results:

  • [!pancakes@lemmya.net](/c/pancakes@lemmya.net) (active)
  • [!pancakes@lemmyb.net](/c/pancakes@lemmyb.net) (inactive)
  • [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food) (active)
  • [!flapjacks@lemmya.net](/c/flapjacks@lemmya.net) (inactive)

Open each community on its home instance, note the frequency of posts, and check whether the moderators are active. From this, you will often get a hunch for what might be the best community to consolidate to, but you should still keep an open mind as you proceed to the next step.

Edit1: To avoid centralization on large instances, I typically prefer consolidating towards smaller instances, provided that they are well managed.

Step 2: Solicit input

Create a post on !fedigrow@lemm.ee. The post should contain the following:

  1. A brief reminder on the detriments of userbase fragmentation and the advantages of consolidation.
  2. The list of duplicate communities you've identified for a given topic.
  3. An invitation for discussion and, optionally, your recommendation of a community to consolidate to.

Example post here (electric vehicles).

Once you have posted, create a top-level comment for each community in which you reach out to the moderators, administrators, and contributors for their opinions.

Example comments: (click to expand)

Paging [!pancakes@lemmya.net](/c/pancakes@lemmya.net) active moderator @buckwheat_forever@lemmya.net

Would you be open to consolidating this community with one on another instance, perhaps [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food)?

Also paging active contributor @maple_syrup_or_die@lemmy.ca for their thoughts.


[!pancakes@b.net](/c/pancakes@b.net) moderator @spez_ruins_pancakes@lemmyb.net is inactive.

Paging admin @the_boss@lemmyb.net. Would you be open to consolidating this community with one on another instance, perhaps [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food)?


Paging [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food) moderator @cast_iron_queen@lemmy.food

How would you feel about a potential influx of posters and commenters from other instances? Would you be open to adding additional moderators, perhaps those who were active contributors or moderators in pancake communities on other instances?

These comments will hopefully spark discussion among the pancake enthusiasts on Lemmy.

Edit2: There will often be users advocating for consolidation to whichever community currently has the most subscribers/activity. When this community is on of the larger instances, feel free to gently remind people of the risks of centralization.

If any two communities agree to consolidate, you can move onto step 3.

Step 3: Consolidate communities

When a decision is reached between any two communities, one community can then be closed, and redirect users to the other. You should recommend that the moderator take the following actions:

Example comment: (click to expand)

Would you be able to do the following?

  1. Lock [!pancakes@b.net](/c/pancakes@b.net) by checking "Only moderators can post to this community"
  2. Create one final post on [!pancakes@b.net](/c/pancakes@b.net) announcing the consolidation to [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food)
  3. Rename the community to "[Dormant] moved to [!pancakes@lemmy.food](/c/pancakes@lemmy.food)"

Changing the community display name is particularly helpful for users when they are searching for communities.

When to NOT consolidate communities?

If there exist two active communities on the same topic, and they have a different significant difference in geographical focus, political leanings, or moderation style, these communities should not be consolidated. This would be an example of the advantages of parallel communities in the Fediverse.

TL;DR:

  • Find all the communities on a given topic (easy)
  • Convince people that consolidation is a good idea (medium)
  • Get people, many of whom may be reluctant to see a community on their home instance locked, to decide on a which community to switch to (challenging)
  • Contact the moderators (or the admins, if the mods are inactive) of each of the n-1 communities and get them to lock each community, with appropriate links to the decided upon community (simple, but tedious)

It can be a bit of a pain-in-the-ass to do properly, and I've seen many more failures than successes, but given the potential benefit for the Fediverse as a whole, I thought I'd write up and share this guide. Feedback is welcome :)

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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/9451996

Thoughts on features to boost intent for posting more?

Like a karma system of that other forum website.

I currently miss a point system to motivate me that shows people via my profile how much I could help by posting/commenting. There's no system to create such feedback currently on Lemmy.

Are there statements by the creators of this platform about that?

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by ekZepp@lemmy.world to c/fedigrow@lemm.ee
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This is the second time I have been hit with what is essentially "no you can't promote a Lemmy community here, that is against our self-promotion rules." (First was r/otomegames mods not wanting to help with a Fedi otome community or even letting me advertise outside of a Self-Promotion Sunday weekly post nobody looks at. !otomegames@ani.social for the curious. This incident is for promoting !infinitynikki@discuss.tchncs.de, and it feels especially bad because the official, non-Fedi community has official presence on freaking TikTok and posts partnered creators on Discord with Twitch streams and the like, but I can't show a little Reddit alternative for people who want to move off of it. Guess I'd have to start streaming and post exclusively to Fedi or something to get up. Pisses me off.)

possibly non-productive frustrationI get it, I really do. Self-promotion restriction helps prevent a community from being flooded with spam of people trying to get your eyeballs to look at THEIR super unique and totally different from the millions of others out there, I promise stream, or YouTube channel, or whatever is the latest hot thing that people will spam you about. On another hand though, it also makes it much harder to drag people out of a big corporate platform where outrage is algorithmically boosted to maximize engagement, and over to here where outrage is not given an unfair boost and it's a lot easier to just look at new posts and close the site for the day. And I recognize it's a bit hypocritical of me to use streamers as an example, because everyone, including me here, thinks they are just the little guy trying to get eyeballs onto something relevant to that community—I think my case is special too, because of blah blah FOSS good and blah blah not trying to get you to buy or make a parasocial relationship with me, but others probably have their own arguments too that have to be unilaterally shut down to prevent everyone clamoring for exceptions and opening the gates to self-promotion hell with no actual discussion of the topic the community is supposed to be about.

It's just really, really frustrating. I can't siphon people off the big corporate platforms because rules against it, so I have to sometimes use that big corporate platform myself to find content for here or to talk about the topic—because nobody's here to talk, because I can't promote it somewhere with lots of people, because those are the big corporate platforms that won't let me advertise. To be fair, I can't advertise in general, but it still feels shitty and anticompetitive, even if the rule's genuine intention was not about forestalling competition and more about not getting overrun by LOOK AT MY ART/STREAM/PLAYTHROUGH/REVIEW.

Have any Lemmy communities here grown without help from mods on a bigger site? (I know the Datahoarder community moved with the official help of r/datahoarder mods, good on them, I'm curious about communities who didn't get that kind of support.) How did they do it?

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Most instances have a community where users can request the moderator role for inactive or unmoderated communities.

As each instance names these slightly differently, I thought I'd create a thread to collect as many as possible.

Please comment below with equivalent communities and I'll add them to the list.

Note: When requesting the moderator role for a community, it is best to do so from a local account (same instance as the community) rather than a remote account. Many people (myself included) have encountered federation issues with some moderation actions when using a remote account.

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I've organized consolidation, before there were two semi-active ones, on Lemmy.world and on Fedia.io , so I talked with the mods and they have agreed to consolidate. If you're interested in customizing your Firefox you can join it at !FirefoxCSS@fedia.io

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I started a c/ for owncast and peertube !fedistream@lemmy.world . so far its just been me and a bot generating content for it. the bot just post stats of who has the most hours streamed and most views, along with those that streamed most recently at the time a post was made.

I pinned a comment of a curated list of fediverse streamers (their stream url and mastodon handle), https://lemmy.world/post/26651394 . the list excludes and radio and TV streams and the streamers are people that you can interact with

Its a work in progress. but it should give more engagement with lemmy, also I am open to suggestions.

not something id want to do but id suggest a twitch community, since the twitch subreddit is a really big community

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26689232

Fireside Fedi - Episode 5 - Johannes - FediForum

Welcome Fedi Friends to the episode 5 of Fireside Fedi! I'm your host ozoned. Fireside Fedi is a show about folks within the Fediverse. If you're seeing this, you are a part of the Fediverse.

With me today is Johannes! I met Johannes when I found out about the FediForum. FediForum is the "unconference for the people who move the open social web forward." I want to read Johanne's description on his j12t.org page as I just love it:

"I believe the world is better if people are in control of their own destiny. In technology, that means we need to control our data, freely choose the software we use with our data and fairly negotiate the terms by which we interact with others, including which data is and isn't shared. Not a fan of overlords, in politics and in technology.

Very excited about the opportunities on the resurging open social web / the Fediverse. Also: Facts matter. Empathy, inclusion, opportunity."

Johannes' impressive current list of projects include Dazzle Labs, FediDevs, FediForum, FedTest and UBOS. As well as many other and previous projects.

https://j12t.org/ https://fediforum.org/ https://dazzlelabs.net/ https://fedidevs.org/ https://feditest.org/ https://ubos.net/ BLOG: https://reb00ted.org/ Mastodon: @j12t@j12t.social Mother of All Demos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY

https://video.firesidefedi.live/w/2n4KHG3NZs3vxNGmt51jPd https://audio.firesidefedi.live/@firesidefedi/episodes/johannes-fediforum

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Didn't think about it before, but saw this thread: https://lemmy.world/post/26747873

Lemmy tends to have duplicate communities between different instances for many subjects, and this can make it hard to find information here. For instance, if i want to know if anyone has made a constructed language for birds, i have to go to the communities list and search for “conlang” and “constructed language”, open every relevant community i find, and search each of those.

The Lemmy search feature quite good, but having all the knowledge about one topic on one community makes it even better

There is a GitHub issue, but no planned deadline: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

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I was looking around, and realised we don't have a single functioning equivalent to r/PhotoshopBattles. On a quick search:

We should revive the lemm.ee instance, but imo there is merit to starting afresh with a name that isn't tied to a proprietary closed-source piece of software, like image edits or editbattles

If there's anyone who's interested, please take it up. I don't mind being a mod, but I can't be the main (let's be real, sole) contributor right now. I've got my hands full with !fakealbumcover@lemm.ee, and that's just putting text on images, not even close to realistic edits like this demands.

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!ask@lemm.ee

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works to c/fedigrow@lemm.ee
 
 

Searching lemmyverse.net yields the following:

Niche communities:

Niche instances:

My hunch in this case would be to leave the niche communities and instances as they are, and consolidate the rest to lemmy.zip (most active users).

Thoughts?

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I mod and post at !hardware@lemmy.world.

There is also !hardware@lemmy.ml, it has much more subs (~5K), but a lot less engagement. The ML community's mod also seems to have deleted their account?

I am not acquainted with the process for community consolidation and I am not sure if ML takes part in such initiatives. Do I need to reach out to the ML admins? What would be the next step if I wanted to propose !hardware@lemmy.ml to be merged into !hardware@lemmy.world ?

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Searching lemmyverse.net yields the following:

Both communities are actively moderated, but lemdro.id has much more activity. I think consolidating towards lemdro.id would be the best option in this case.

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Writing prompts has consolidated from lemmy.world to literature.cafe!

!writingprompts@literature.cafe

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