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Strange cross instance report behaviour (slrpnk.net)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by poVoq@slrpnk.net to c/piefed_meta@piefed.social

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I recently noticed that Piefed handles cross instance reports better than Lemmy, i.e. if you moderate a remote community and a Piefed user reports someone from yet another instance, the report actually seems to reach you.

This is a long, long standing issue on Lemmy that makes moderating remote communities practically useless, as you only get reports from or about users on your own instance but not others.

Now, the strage thing with Piefed doing it better is that apparently all instance admins can see these reports (at least on Lemmy), which confused us a lot as we are getting reports that seem entirely unrelated to our instance and personal moderation responsibilities.

Since there are currently so few Piefed users, we don't have a lot of examples, but it seems like if a Piefed user is making a report, and there is any user from our instance moderating that remote community, all of our instance admins get to see that report.

It seems like this would classify as a bug or at least an unintended incompatibility between Piefed and Lemmy?

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[–] wjs018@crust.piefed.social 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Let me see if I understand this issue correctly...

You are a lemmy instance admin. If a user from your instance is moderating a community, then any report in that community that is made by a piefed user is also forwarded to you. This happens even if the user being reported is not local to your instance.

You might not know the answer to this since it happens rarely, but does this happen for reports just in local communities, or also in remote communities that your user is a moderator for? So, if modA@slrpnk.net is a mod for commA@notslrpnk.net, do you still see the report if a piefed user makes a report in commA?

I have both a piefed and a lemmy instance I run for testing things, I can try to mess around with the different permutations for this one.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've heard other mods having a similar situation. Admin from Jlai.lu, getting a report about a LW user on a SJW community.

@snoopy@tarte.nuage-libre.fr that seems to be what @inlandempire@jlai.lu experienced the other day

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Can confirm it happened on three occasions in the past two weeks:

piefed.blahaj.zone user reports lemy.lol user on feddit.uk community
piefed.blahaj.zone user reports lemy.lol user on lemmy.world community
piefed.social user reports lemmy.world user on lemmy.world community

All three reached our mod / reports queue on jlai.lu (lemmy)

Edit: I'm not sure if we have jlai.lu users remotely moderating the communities these reports came from

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I just rechecked the strange reports I remembered, and in both cases we had a local user being remote moderator, so this seems like the most likely cause.

[–] wjs018@crust.piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for tracking that down. It makes finding the issue and fixing it a lot easier. rimu will likely see this thread before I get a chance to sit down and work on it, but should have a fix soon probably. Sorry for the extraneous reports!

[–] rimu@piefed.social 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure they are totally extraneous. There have been times when seeing someone act badly on unrelated communities has led me to ban them from my instance even though they never interacted with any of the communities hosted on my instance. That's valuable intel to have.

Perhaps we just need better filtering on the reports so that by default admins only see totally relevant ones but the others are still available 1 click away? Maybe a separate tab...

The existence of the Threadiverse Defence matrix channel points to a need that is not being met by Lemmy. If we can make that channel obsolete then that'd be awesome.

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 2 points 8 months ago

Good point

[–] Blaze@piefed.zip 3 points 8 months ago

Seems like it!

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, this specifically happens with remote communities, for local communities the instance admins see all the reports in Lemmy so that would be normal.

I am not 100% sure if this is related to other local users being moderators of remote communities, but it is the closest guess as the alternative would just random reports being forwarded to us instance admins with no relation to our instance at all.