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[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sortition is also an option, imo

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

While both are subject to propaganda/fraud, Sortition is more subject to bribery after being in office.

There definitely needs to be limits on speech to protect against fanatical religious supremacism (Zionism) hate speech, and economic fraud supporting oligarchist/corporatist supremacy. In other countries, blantant CIA/Atlanticist propaganda fraud needs to be exterminated. Disposession of media violating treasonous/fraudulent speech is necessary for democracy to work.

At same time, with direct democracy it is easier to counteract propaganda and demonize those who use their delegate power for evil. Sortition would be subject to more closed information/perspectives capture. Well funded lobbyists will continue to sell lies, and seeking out the truth takes effort.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sortition is more subject to bribery after being in office.

How do you figure? The current system is THE bribe system, there's zero chance sorittion is worse.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just worse than direct/liquid democracy.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Im not sure i agree here. Liquid democracy seems the worst option as people would sell their votes to proxy brokers.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

You can sell your vote, but change it back after paid. You can cause revote from outrage that something passed with consequences that were unknown to most. There can/should be constitutional protections against certain laws.

Liquid democracy is implemented through blockchains, 1 vote per account, and means to ensure 1 account per real citizen. If a corrupt policy steals $150m from society, then $1 to 150m voters may get it to pass the first time. Bribed make a net 50c. Corrupt gains 0. A trace of those payments, may be cause for a/many revotes, where the corrupt must keep the bribery program. Representatives who take the corrupts bribe will lose delegates, and have other delegates demand their share of the bribe.

These are better checks on corruption than any existing rulership system.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What about sortition as a means for items to go on a ballot

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

People would just vote on race, gender, and apparent ethnicity of last name? Even with random people put in charge, say with university degrees and low debt to asset ratios, I think they'd get surrounded by people with Epstein-sized expense accounts inviting them to entertainment-themed seminars.