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Questions regarding ultras, anarchists, trotskyists etc. (lemmygrad.ml)
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A couple of questions because I'm still uneducated on these things:

  • Why do anarchists hate Marxists?
  • Are anarchists and ultras the same thing?
  • Are Trotskyists ultras and do they dislike Marxists?
  • What are the differences between Trotskyists, Maoists and Hoxhaists? Are any of them comrades?
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[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Anarchists do not support a transitionary state between capitalism and communism, while Marxists do. You can describe the relationship between them as hatred in certain scenarios, but to answer you question more clearly, it is more accurate to say that anarchists might view Marxists as "authoritarians" (yet they are willing to believe the myths conjured by "authoritarian" capitalists).

[–] znsh@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

So they don't support socialism or just the transitionary state?

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They support a stateless, classless, moneyless society which is a shared end goal in the broad sense. The primary difference is that they believe than can establish that sort of society without building a transitionary state to defend against counterrevolution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 months ago

They don't support the same end goal, anarchism is about communalization while Marxists point towards gradual collectivization. It isn't just the transition, but the end goal, where anarchists want decentralized communes and not a unified, stateless system based on a common plan. The terms "stateless, classless, and moneyless" both apply to Marxism and anarchism from their own perspectives, but not towards each other.

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which makes no sense to me, but I have not read anarchist theory so who knows.

[–] DonLongSchlong@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The theory usually ranges from "no state, no hierarchy ever!" To "no state, no unjustified hierarchy! (no hierarchy is justified tho)" and finally "no state, no hierarchy, but explains functions of state and hierarchy"

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Could you elaborate on the final point? What do you mean by that?

[–] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I am not sure on the exact details, but I know they do not support socialism because socialism is a transitionary state between capitalism and communism.

Edit: I should have clarified better, but the person with shark in the name gave a better definition.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Basically, they reject the transitionary state, and want to speed run right to Communism