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Food chain still exists, home slice, and I'm at the top of it. Doesn't change my feelings about labor rights, or housing, or healthcare. You're presenting a false equivalence argument.
I think you're a leftist when it comes to labour rights, housing, and healthcare for humans. I also think you're in favour of imprisonment, forced labour, and a might-makes-right worldview justified by the appeal to nature fallacy, all of which are traditionally associated with fascism. In short, I think you're a very complex individual with a wide range of political views on different topics.
Any imprisonment is cruel and unusual. Kinder to kill a man than to lock him away from the world. All labour should be at will. If you don't want to work you should be able to stay out of the way. A universal basic income is needed for this if we don't somehow erase commerce entirely, because folks gotta eat and sleep. Cool, do it. If labor is truly voluntary that increases its value too, Production has to make it worth participating. Jobs would still feel like jobs, but they wouldn't feel like shackles. It's a pretty notion I think. Fascism appalls me, I was raised by a civil rights activist that helped arm and train minorities in the 60s and 70s. I have actively fought bigotry since the early 90s when I was in highschool. I have participated in a riot when the cops killed a young man for no good reason and my city exploded for a minute. Now on to this "might makes right" horseshit you are so wrapped around the axle on, you seem to have lost touch with the simple fact that man is an animal as natural as any out there. There are many, many species that are carnivores or omnivores and we are no better or worse than any of them or those that choose to eat at the salad bar, in fact we are them too.
So putting chickens in tiny filthy cages where they're so stressed out that they have to be debeaked, because otherwise they'll peck themselves to death, is cruel and unusual?
Of course. Chickens belong in a yard or a pasture. You still occasionally have to cull the unnecessarily violent ones from time to time.
People need to spend more time in the yard and not be in cages too. I live 50 miles from the closest town you might have heard of. I don't have neighbors. Part of my property is a registered wildlife habitat. Society sucks so I do my best not to participate any more than I have to.
Well, most of the chicken and eggs at the store comes from chickens in those tiny cages. So are you going to boycott these evil chicken corporations?
I buy eggs from the family up the road. They have a nice mix of colors.
That's good, how about chicken meat?
I have a couple pasture farms relatively close, certainly closer than going into town. I live pretty far out in the country and have better options than folks in the city for what meats I buy. Most of the meat my family consumes is harvested from the forest and processed at home or fished out of local lakes.
Then why did you use yourself as a counterexample to this meme? Seems like you're not exploiting animals near as much as the city carnists are, so why reply? Just to ragebait?
If this is still the same thread I think it us then I don't recall the meme saying a thing about animal exploitation. It said all leftist principles left anyone who eats meat, and I called bullshit. And holy shit I am not claiming to be perfect, but I do what I can.
Edit: I might not have been all the way awake when I started talking shit. I just looked at the meme again and I really don't belong here. Fuck factory farming.
You're on top of it? Because you buy factory meat in a store?
Your being dense on purpose? You think human as a specie isn't at the top? Like if we want we couldnt kill every animal specie?
We built civilization and you think we areny the apex?
So you believe in rule of the mightiest?
Can you even call yourself a leftist?
Maybe you have a point to make but this isn't it.
As i said in another comment, the way we treat animals is and should be different from they way we interact with other humans.
I dont advocate for the rule of the mightiest between humans. For animals, i think we dont have any moral obligation in the way we treat them. Doesnt mean im ok obliterated species or kill rare animal for sport, just that we are ok to eat them.
"For animals, I think we dont have any moral obligation in the way we treat them."
Yeah... Thats really fucked up thinking.
I think that way of thinking is problematic. Because you could easily swap "we have moral obligation only towards other humans" with "we have moral obligations only towards people of our own tribe / group". You can freely swap out who is in the protected in-group, and what is okay to do to the out-group as a result.
Think about it with a moral view. Should we kill millions of animals a year even tho we don't have to and is considerably worse for your health and to the environment?
Not quite the case. The way we in the western world consume meat is not particularly healthy. But a vegan diet is not healthier per se. You can have a pretty healthy diet that includes meat (although definitely with less meat than the average person in the western world consumes) and you can have a pretty healthy vegan diet. The difficulty with vegan diets is that humans are biologically omnivores, and while it is possible to lead a healthy vegan diet, one does have to be much more careful about their diet so that one doesn't miss any important nutrients. There's a reason the human palate is trained to like meat.
This is more an argument to reduce meat consumption than to eliminate it, something I am entirely for. Whatever food we consume, it will just about always have an impact on the environment. The question is how we can reduce that impact to a point where it is sustainable.
Idk, I never liked raw meat. You have to roast it until you taste either ash or Unami.
We aren't talking about "we" were talking about you. Lions in general may be at the top of the food chain but an individual disabled lion isn't and is liable to get taken down by a species "lower down" like hyenas.
If you're justifying eating meat by the ability to kill another animal then unless you can prove you can kill a cow you shouldn't be eating steak.
You aren't a predator at the top of the food chain, at best you're a kleptoparasite appropriating the kills of others using money.
It's at the top of the subjective hierarchy that you are inventing to justify your cruelty and violence. That's rationalization, that's not objective reality. That's how you cope with being a fucking monster.
Which is why Jeff Bezos should be able to control your entire life, living conditions, reproduction, and milk you for all the money he possibly can, right? He is at the top of the food chain so you don’t get a say, and that’s good and moral. Right?
The interaction between human and human and animal and human are different.
Theres not much elso to say. What is true for how we treat animals, the fact we can eat them (in my opinion) because we are over them, doesnt reflect in how i think a human should and can treat another human. Thats it
lol why? So you can feel better about it? Which like, I get it people only have so much energy to deal with shit and if you can’t then if it makes you feel better to pretend then sure. I’m not here to make anyone go vegetarian or vegan or anything, but saying we’re the top of the food chain and that you’re a leftist is laughable. That’s some ancap shit.
They can't read either. I've stated more than once in this thread that I hunt or buy locally for nearly all of the meat I consume. Let them feel superior for now. I'm hunting vegans if I ever run out of deer and feral hogs.
"im physically capable of making other creatures suffer therefore it's acceptable for me to do so". Aight dude. Clearly there's no changing your mind, but for those looking - this mindset is the same as people who sexually assault women.
Corporate chain still exists home slice. And I’m at the top of it. Doesn’t change my feelings about exploiting you, not giving you proper social safety nets or healthcare.
Might makes right is a shit argument.
You don't control my food, kid. Hell, you don't control my water. You might control a couple types of fuel I utilize, but if I can't get those anymore then that's not really a problem either because society has already collapsed, and I still have fuel that you never controlled. And I will still eat, have water, have shelter, and I already live without doctors. I am capable of full self sufficiency. Are you? I have serious doubts. You don't have an argument. Go eat some kale that has to be shipped from mexico.
You’re absolutely right. You currently can choose to do all of that.
But just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should nor that doing the thing is the right thing to do right ?
You can also just as easily choose not to inflict violence and cruelty on those who can’t defend themselves.
How is ita false equivalence to say that animal rights matter? Do sentient beings deserve to be eaten by us, simply because we have consciously decided that we want to be at the top of the food chain? Should you continue to have the highest emissions from your diet, simply because you're "at the top" of some hypothetical food chain you have no part in executing yourself?
I get that some people need to eat animal products for health reasons, but if your entire reason is "I am an apex predator" (which you're not, btw), then I don't see why you shouldn't be called out for that mentality, which is promoting a view of the world that is pretty exploitative of other living beings and environmentally damaging to boot.
Life eats life and I do not have the emotional fortitude to let that get to me. The other animals are out there eating each other alive, it's a horror show, and the expectation for humans to somehow be above and separate from nature is, imo, unrealistic.
Noone deserves to be eaten but if an animal is hungry they have every right to try and eat me and I have the right to defend myself.
Animals also go to war and humans have gone to war for all of their history. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive for pacifism because that's separating us from nature.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT ANIMALS. You are CHOOSING to. And you are using the fact that other animals HAVE TO EAT OTHER ANIMALS to justify it. You're not going to feel bad about your UNNECESSARY cruelty and violence simply because cruelty and violence exist in the universe? That's fucking stupid, you see that, right? Your rationalizations are transparent and the lies you tell yourself are not convincing to others!
All of the violence and cruelty that exists in the universe is unnecessary, not just mine. The universe is unnecessary, for that matter. If I decided to focus on that, I could only conclude that total annihilation is the answer to suffering and I'd rather eat chicken. It's a choice, not a lie.
That's a very 14 year old understanding of nihilism.
I dare you to show your genuinely asinine comment to someone you respect. This is exactly the transparent rationalization I'm describing directly to your benighted face.
You wouldn't even be capable of staring at your own navel this hard if your ancestors hadn't taken to eating our furry neighbors. And you have no idea the emissions caused by my diet, but since I hunt the majority of my meat I'm actually reducing the emissions of local deer herds and hog sounders in my area. I do not participate in beef farming at all, but mostly because I find it to be boring of flavor and overly expensive, not out of any moral obligation.
I am not an apex predator? Sure, I'm an omnivore. Now, however, if I am not at the top of the chain, how about you tell me what might be hunting me?
Well I guess that justifies the horrific conditions of factory farming animals by the billions congrats on the moral high ground.
Whoop, there it goes. Right out the window.
Yeah, that's why I have human children locked in my basement that I sometimes eat the flesh of. It's not immoral, I'm just above them on the food chain.
Just becuase you're so poor that when you cherry-pick policies to support because they would benefit yourself most of those policies happen to be left-wing, that doesn't make you a leftist.
"Might makes right. Taking the body of a vulnerable individual is just how I roll. I don't see how that has anything to do with decency and mercy!"
You could have just said, "Hi, I'm the meme."