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As a leftist I have a completely different take.
Obama's campaign made me realize what it was like to have a politician work for my vote. All that "hope and change" rhetoric actually worked on me. Somewhere in his eight years in office I realized he was full of shit but it gave me optimism for the future. That optimism blossomed as I listened to Sanders speeches.
So when Hillary Clinton came along and started setting herself in opposition to Sanders and ultimately defeating him I realized Hillary Clinton and the entire Democratic party think they can just assume I'll support them so long as they run against a Republican who is much much worse.
They're wrong.
Republicans haven't gotten stronger. The Democratic party has intentionally weakened itself because rather than serving the American people they want to serve corporations, Israel and their own egos.
As a vulnerable minority (trans) being targeted for active genocide by the Right, I really wish that WAS enough for Democrats to get elected
And I'm sure people struggling to put food on the table for their families while watching our government pay for Israeli lifestyles (and their genocide) wish the same from you.
Well they're definitely not getting it from the Republicans
And you aren't getting what you want from Republicans either.
It's time for actual leftists.
A real leftist would prefer incremental change over sacrificing thousands with "Accelerationism"
40 years of "incremental change" and we're worse off than we were before. You need to pull your head out of your ass.
Anyway, everything you say can be turned around on you. A real leftist would prefer radical change over MAGA.
Yes, but radical change would only come with a bloody revolution. You can't vote in the changes you're talking about.You can only vote against fascism
Neither can you.
I can vote in protections for transpeople
Does all the stuff about socialized healthcare, workers rights and affordable housing just not affect you?
Socialized healthcare and worker's rights would be what you get with incremental change. And I am a worker who intentionally kept her own wages low to stay on Medicaid so it does effect me.
Affordable housing? Gonna have to go full Luigi to get that one. It's just not happening at the voting box.
So to be clear you already have socialized healthcare and you're telling people who don't that shouldn't be their priority when voting for a candidate? Do I have that right?
What's your housing situation?
No I'm saying socialized healthcare should be a priority and you will get it if you vote Democrats in
That's not what you said earlier. Let me jog your memory. You responded to a comment which said:
Your response was:
"Forget about families who can't afford their health insurance premiums. Think about meeeeeee"
I'm sensing a theme here.
Yes, because Trump's attacks on Medicaid and Medicare are getting us closer to Medicare For All!
You're putting words in my mouth.
I never said families who can't afford their premiums weren't important, if Kamala were President, she'd be doing something about it. But she isn't, Trump is, and he's bringing budget cuts to programs already underfunded.
This is incorrect.
I've never witnessed conservatives rally around anyone like this in my life. The Republican party is currently netting wins they've been trying to get for decades. They own our media. They're violating our Constitution with impunity.
The Republican party is absolutely stronger than ever.
Now, they might be overplaying their hand and that might come back to bite them in the ass, but that's not what's happening right now.
That didn't respond to anything I wrote. The right wing media went nuts and it worked. For 18 years. We can't act like those 18 years of propaganda didn't change anything because it did.
But anyway to respond to what you wrote, I think the best way to address this is you're looking at the parties, while I'm looking at the votes.
Hilary said she'd a map room to (read, go to war on) fight climate change. The left never came out. Biden went to good old politics. Won. Kamala relied on woman's rights. The left never came out. Guess what will happen next time? They will not rely on the left. They will go after the center. The center that actually shows up. (Also see my other comment.)
This completely misses the point that Kamala didn’t win a primary. You can’t say “didn’t get support” because she wasn’t “the candidate” in the first plac You’re working really hard to tell this thread why voting is pointless
I wonder why
Me: vote.
You: why are you telling people not to vote?
Unreal.