There's no innocent in Israel. They're all soldiers. There are Israeli who are deliberately culprit, living there, and Israeli who are atoning overseas (the only ones deserving forgiveness).

Those 10℅ you talk about (it's way less than that) are living shield serving the genocidal state.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are Palestinians that live in Israel.

They aren't allowed to use the same bomb shelters as Jews.

In an apartheid state there are always going to be second class citizens that are not afforded the same rights as the ruling caste.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They must be liberated. They're captives. And they're not Israeli. Any Palestinian with blood inside veins should refuse that denomination.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

But they live in Israel all the same, and if Israel is bombed they're the ones who won't be allowed in the bomb shelters.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ask yourself whether they wouldn’t be willing to die to help burn the blight on the humankind called Israel. Don’t play liberal here, comrade.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I can ask myself all I like, but I'm not the one that has to burn the answers onto my body.

If bombing Israel was the only way to destroy it, then maybe it's worth it. It's not. "Israel" isn't a real country, it's a fragile garrison state that can only exist as long as it is provided an unlimited supply of weapons and investment. Cut off that supply and Israel will melt into air as all the settlers flee back to their home countries. There's simply no need to kill Israel's human shields.

And that's why Iran is playing this game. They're trying to collapse Israel without killing all the Palestinians that live there.

[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Okay, comrade, I'm frustrated. Israel is hanging dozens of prisoners every week. The genocidal state doesn't deserve any consideration. No rationalization can bring back those lifes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not giving the genocidal state any consideration. The ruling caste deserves to be bombed, no question.

But we have to give consideration to the Palestinians living under the boot within Israel, because they're the ones who won't be allowed into the Jewish bomb shelters. I think that's what the Axis is trying to figure out with these negotiations; is it possible to defeat Israel without sacrificing the Palestinians that live there? And to do it within an acceptable time-frame? Maybe.

I'm frustrated too, but I'm not the one with my body on the line. I can't blame the Axis of Resistance for exhausting all other options.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can ask yourself that, but it's not for you or I to answer