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Shout-out to all the Americans still claiming that they are more democratic than whatever other country. I take great pleasure in seeing the shit hole your country is and is still becoming. ❤️
That's a pretty weird thing to take pleasure in, right? Wouldn't you want the whole world to snap out of it and become better/united?
I'm not offering an opinion on the matter, I'd just like to point out that taking pleasure in one does not exclude the ability to take pleasure in the other.
Fair
We have lost more people to gun violence in the last thirty years than every US soldier killed in every war. Death by firearm is now the number one killer of US children. I have personally lost several people I grew up with to gun violence.
Almost 50% of US males have a criminal conviction and minorities have a close to a 30% felony conviction rate. Millions of minority and poor families have been destroyed by the war on drugs. People regularly get convicted of crimes they didn't do because they are manipulated into plea bargains with the threat of massive time behind bars. The US jails more people per capita than just about any other nation.
The unemployment rate for those under thirty is around 40%. Most working class families are priced out of home ownership and going to get a higher education will often indebt you for decades. You are expected to constantly change careers or you will be quickly left behind with median position length of just under four years. Many Americans have up to ten or more jobs in their lifetime due to instability in our economy.
I raised my family for over twenty years with zero health insurance. Going to the hospital is a financially life ending event with bills easily reaching $10k + for even basic procedures unless it is just a few stitches. Medical bills account for 40% of bankruptcies and half a million people go bankrupt every year from medical debt.
I find it amazing propaganda can manipulate rubes so easily into hating each other. The wealthy have truly won.
Yeah, 100% agree. The wealthy also manipulate rubes into thinking that there is no viable alternative, that other countries (mainly China) are so bad and oppressive that the tubes believe they'd rather keep getting fucked than to follow in the footsteps of the Chinese. It's so prevalent on this website and on Reddit that you'd see Americans claim they're more free, and this comment was meant for them.
I think we both can agree on what is happening even if we see some things differently. I view the three major fascist leaning states as the US, Russia, and China in that order. While China has done some amazing things there is plenty of valid criticism outside of just western propaganda.
China is great because of the US not despite it. They have made the wealthy more money in a shorter amount of time than any country before it in history working together. China has produced more billionaires than any nation for the third year straight showing zero signs of slowing.
China is currently running cover for the entire industrialized world. If they were really at odds with all the western nations who dog on them then I don't think they would have cut their oil consumption by almost 5 million barrels a day, thus staving off a collapse of global markets.
American freedom is misnomer and is merely a function of a lot of land spread out that creates a feeling of less government interference which is compounded if you are a privileged white male.
The US government is the universal destroyer of freedom, not the creator of it. I totally agree there are a ton US citizens that are absolutely clueless that they live in the most violent anti-freedom fascist nation in the world.
Speaking of following in the footsteps, this current administration has done several things to come closer to Chinese policy from trying to become more neo-authoritarian to allowing the government a more active role in business. If the current administration succeeds in its current goal the US could become even more of a one-party system than it already is.
How is China fascist?
It meets all the economic and political definitions.
Keep in mind I believe the entire world has descended into fascism thanks to the US. Also fascism for me is a scale, not all or nothing.
The last straw for me was China providing arms to Africa. Their weapons have already ended up on both sides of the conflicts responsible for killing untold civilians. China is now the world's fourth largest purveyor of arms.
Is China as bad as the US? Not at all, in fact I really appreciate that their imperialism has been limited. Speaking of the two there is no denying that China has helped propel billionaire's wealth in the US and vice versa. I personally believe the rise of the billionaire class is responsible for the rise in fascism.
I don't know the ins and outs of the arming of African countrys by China, but I do know that supplying arms to people defending themselves is a good thing actually. If they end up sending arms to Iran, that's literally a very good thing in the battle against the fascist global hegemon.
Hey, if you want to be an apologist that is on you. I won't be joining you though.
I am firmly on the side of humanity.
If humans are killing humans, those humans have a right to self defense to save their humanity.
But again, I don't know the ins and outs of the African arms situation, I guess I was just trying to make a broader point. I also agree with the sliding scale of fascism, there are levels.
However China is much more socialist than fascist oriented in my view.
It's always been a shithole. The good part was the freedom, you used to be able to be exhasperated and complain to your friends. But we decided instead of improving society that some of us would rather give a bunch of facists cameras and microphones and turns out, those facists are the evil kind of facists, not this mythical "only here to protect us" kind.
Except for the slaves, which as you know, are explicitly allowed in the constitution.
Slavery is outlawed
Except for prisoners
Invent a bunch of laws targeting the lower class, those in poverty, and those with substance habits
Enforce the laws selectively against those with the least agency and socioeconomic means
Make incarceration so dangerous that prisoners feel the need to commit further crimes on the inside to survive
Game the system so that if you don't want someone out, they don't get out
Enjoy your slaves in an emancipated country
You forgot a step, privatize prisons for profits.
Oh snap, the essential step! 🤦
Sure, let's whataboutism the discussion, love that.
I don't know when it was but realising the American dream was garbage, and I don't want to travel to the USA was strange.
It wasn't like a big hit to the face, it was just a slow crumbling of the idea from media.
When you watched friends and saw people in these massive apartments, or huge mcmansions in other shows, it was always something to strive towards, now I actively dislike it. I would hate to live somewhere like that.
There are(were at least, who knows how much longer they will last) some incredible and beautiful places in America, but I also don't want to risk my life flying there (and it isn't the planes).
For me at least I feel like it was when the American dream turned from "anyone can do it with hard work and dedication" to "anyone can do it if they exploit others, get lucky, or come from money".
The dream used to be "work hard and this will be yours" and it seems to have been turned to "work hard and dream about it someday, and maybe you can get close". And it definitely changed over time. People often forget when the "American dream" came about it wasn't "get a degree, and be a white collar worker for a chance" like it was with people my age. It was "go to work, wherever, with whatever skill set/background, contribute and you get a piece of the American apple pie". Over decades though those goal posts have been shifted further and further.
Earning the American dream used to be a given for everyone if you worked hard and contributed, but over time it has devolved with a bunch of extra conditionals of "well that doesn't count either" until we are left with "the dream exists, but only for a few who can actually get it."
People these days are turning to betting, day trading, side hustles, and extreme budgeting to even be comfortable in some cases. That's not how it used to be. You could work any job, minimum wage or not, and the benefits were supposed to be for everyone. That's not the case anymore, and the American dream has faded along with it
The "american dream" has always had a problematic contradiction. You should work hard. Working hard is good. You should work hard so you don't have to work anymore. Working sucks and you don't want to do it. You want to be the guy on a golf course getting money while those hard working people assemble widgets for you.
Well, which is it then?
I always took it as "if you do your best you'll never be without what you need" but that could still have a lot of broad interpretations
The freedom was always kind of dicey. Sedition act of 1798, for example.
Women also historically had a bad time of it. And the native peoples. Queer folks, too. Religious freedom is hit or miss.
It's been pretty good for wealthy people, historically. They've been pretty free.
If freedom is the ability to complain, lots of countries with stringer regulations have that. They have it but better, even, because they have a much greater ability to stop it going away.