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Noticed this in 148.0 for desktop

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[–] IntrovertTurtle@lemmy.zip 120 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Broken record chiming in: it should be opt-in, not opt-out.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I chose to opt out of having Firefox installed. Gave me an opportunity to use the very satisfying but rarely used apt purge function.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Waterfox or Librewolf or what you trying now?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Librewolf, but also have Floorp and Vivaldi installed. How's Waterfox going these days? Feel like I haven't looked at that in ages.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I havent used it myself but a buddy of mine is really liking it.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago

Waterfox did better consumer advocacy in a single blog post than the entire multimillion-dollar Mozilla Foundation has pumped out over the past two years.

Oh nice, that good to hear.

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i liked waterfox until it completely forgot my 2x 50+ tabs windows. yes i know "recently closed windows", they weren't there

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then that was a "private" window

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

nope, regular tabs. they were fine until they weren't

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Broken record 2 chiming in. None of these features do anything unless you use them so they effectively are opt-in. Turning off the settings gets rid of the UI elements that are how you'd use them, which is excellent.

Additionally, a setting to automatically disable future features is a very strong acknowledgement of and empowerment for strongly anti-AI users.

Up until now I have agreed with the crowd upset at how FF as handled AI features, but at this point you are just upset because you want to be.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If Mozilla didn't pester you with notifications about AI tab grouping and AI page summaries, congratulations. It's still sapped limited time and resources away from fixing bugs and implementing features that aren't as controversial.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They've commented on this. The time spent on this did not "take away from time spent on other things". The features were worked on by a few people who wanted to build those features. From a Mozilla employee in a hacker news thread.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So Mozilla did not pay the people that worked on, tested, and approved these features?

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I actually couldnt find any public info to back up my comment so maybe a HN comment wasnt enough to go off. But Idk if announcing they partnered with OpenAI to integrate it would even improve things given their current actions.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can't disagree that I'd rather the time be spent elsewhere, but firefox needs to be a big tent that isn't only targeted to tech savvy or anti AI people. I'll also admit I turned off smart tab group in about:config as soon as I saw it, but rather than "pestering" it was just a button in the tab group UI? I don't even know how to do link previews so it definitely never pestered me there. Local language translation is actively useful and far more desirable that using remote services.

Another point about pulling time away from other development... The same time period these were implemented is also when they finally started doing things people definitely like such as tab groups and vertical tabs so it sure doesn't seem like they're too tight in resources.

Tldr; firefox is for everyone and being mad that they implemented features you don't use is entitled bullshit

[–] XLE@piefed.social 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The opposite of pro-AI isn't anti-AI. It's non-AI. Mozilla has a community forum to solicit feedback. Nobody used it to ask for AI. Instead, Mozilla repeatedly used it to announce they were going to push AI features on their community.

People aren't converting to Mozilla because it has AI. They were never going to convert to Mozilla because they added a shopping toolbar, either. These are things that should have never been put into the browser. They're certainly alienating their existing users by trying to bleed them dry, though.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Isn't that what add on are for?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'd like to choose to opt out of Firefox spending donation money on features the community explicitly states that they do NOT want

[–] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You also don't use an adblocker I guess?

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

No idea why you'd think that....

[–] KindnessisPunk@piefed.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Even a opt-in question during set up would be acceptable

[–] Sv443@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

For the other softwares it's opt-go-fuck-yourself, so I'll take an opt-out.

[–] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 weeks ago

I did that by switching to Librewolf ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wish they's just flip this switch themselves over at Mozilla and simply stop putting AI bullshit in the browser.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, even an opt.in system is better than an opt.out systen

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

After all the blowback they finally decided they fucked up and put this in. It wasn't the plan, it wasn't the idea. But it's a good reaction.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. It's rare enough that a technology company responds to feedback from their users that I think it deserves to be recognized when it does happen!

[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think it was always a plan to try to push AI, and if it fails, give users an option to turn it off. They are not stupid, and they know that refusing to enable an option to turn it off would destroy them.

[–] THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

This was the first thing I did when it popped up. I like how it opens the little submenu and shows every one of them being blocked. And that's how they'll stay.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wonder what the variable name is so I can add a line to my user.js. Usually stuff like this can be changed with a setting in user.js.

Edit: apparently there are a lot of such variables, and I think I have already turned off a few of them. I don't see what's new then, other than a UI for this. If you have to turn all these off, how can they talk about it this way..?

[–] XLE@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mozilla promises that if you flip this switch, they won't keep surprising you with new AI features.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well the need for all those other settings apparently nullifies that idea. Unless the people recommending that I turn off all those pieces are doing so solely out of paranoia and maybe it's redundant and unnecessary to turn off all but the main one. Which could be the case, maybe but I personally lean toward the paranoid side

[–] XLE@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Up until this point, the hodgepodge of half-hidden settings was a necessity, because Mozilla hadn't rolled out the setting we had today. Every few months, Mozilla would announce a new AI feature, and onto the pile of things to disable it would go.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which about:config value maps to this new switch? That's my real question.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

You'll probably have to tech back with those incredibly talented (if paranoid) people one more time.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

The click is for installing librewolf.

[–] 0ndead@infosec.pub 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hey FF devs, nobody wants this bullshit

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? I absolutely want a way to block all current and future AI features. Opt in would have been better instead of opt out, but hey, I'll take the wins I can get.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Nobody wants the AI. They mean nobody wants to be auto-opted into AI so that you have to go in and turn it off.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Translations, image alt text, voice to text, text to voice are all AI.

[–] XLE@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

The Firefox "image alt text" feature is a joke.

If you don't believe me, try finding it.

[–] the_armchair_potato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Is this setting on desktop only? I dont see it anywhere in the mobile version.

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago

Blocking means you can't see new or current AI features. Doesn't mean new or current AI features can't see you.