Is Linus getting paid by Microsoft to dissuade people from using Linux? Obviously he's not, but every time he does one of these videos he just acts like a bumbling fool not being able to figure out the most basic of things. He's trying to use Pop!_OS with COSMIC, which I understand is still full of issues. Meanwhile the other guy is trying to install a game that requires kernel AC and TPM secure boot (PUBG). It's like he keeps engaging with Linux in bad faith.
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I challenge you to find any Linus video where he doesn't act like a bumbling fool. It's his whole thing.
That’s cause it’s not an act.
It is an act. He's not just a guy on YouTube, he has a team planning his videos. They know exactly how to approach his content for maximum views from the moment they start filming. He goes into videos with basically a fully finished script.
After watching him type “yes, do as I say” into a window telling him he’s about to destroy his system, and then watching his surprise as his system is destroyed, there’s no possible way you can convince me that this guy isn’t a bumbling fool.
You guys are being pretty stupid to expect most people that is trying Linux the first or 2nd time to have any idea what a Cosmic Desktop is supposed to be and why it's a bad idea to use it at this moment? Calling people fools for not following Linux news at all is pretty elitist. You're reminding me again why I hate interacting with the Linux community sometimes.
Linus literally just asked chatgpt what to do and then decided against his own already gained experience and chose Pop! again. He calls himself mR tECh tIpS. He could atleast use the competency he actually has. I dont think he is a bumbling fool. But he sure as hell acts like one when it comes to anything Linux.
And the playful incompetency and antics are part of the identity of the channel. I get that. Its Top Gear for PC and tech related topics. But in this video it just feels like he has zero interest in the challenge and openly tries to make Linux look bad. I'm sure somebody will argue he just plays a fool to provide a cautionary how not to approach a switch to Linux. But i dont see that. The video isnt setup like that. He doesnt react like that. He seems genuinely surprised that when you install an OS with which you arent experienced with in middle of a LAN party it wont work out. While beeing the organizer of the party AND beeing filmed for a video. Yeah, no shit it didnt work out.
I honestly feel that online Linux communities are the biggest barrier to more widespread adoption. As with any online space, unless the people in charge want to ban toxicity, it will always, always, take over any community.
So don’t go in online Linux communities. You can just read the docs and get by without ever interacting with anyone online. Also, the Linux community is like tens or maybe hundreds of millions of people. There’s no way to ban toxicity across hundreds of millions of interactions without a centralized moderation force.
he just acts like a bumbling fool not being able to figure out the most basic of things
Yeah, most people can't figure them out. That's the entire point.
Not gonna watch this video, but I see the clickbait thumbnail says "LAST CHANCE" which is just dumb. Linux will outlive him and me and you. There's no reason to not give it another chance within the next 20 or so years. In fact, they'll almost certainly release another video about Linux.
The thumbnail is 100% clickbait. Linus is doing his normal thing. But he was very understanding generally. Luke "by the way" has really gotten way deeper in than just experimenting with mint. Daily driving now. Even the newer hire is generally positive of the experience this far.
I'd say despite the thumbnail Linus's issues were of course niche but valid for anyone installing on random hardware. Actual things that need to be looked at and worked on. And part of the reason really green users should be pointed strongly to Linux system integrators first. Rather than random distribution on random hardware.
The part of the video that's unspoken is that he spends most of his time trashing Pop!_OS while he is invested in a company that is competing against System 76.
I'm not saying that to dismiss the complaints against PopOS, many of which are totally valid. Cosmic is honestly not good enough yet to be shipping as the default DE on PopOS, and by doing so System76 are really undermining the reputation Cosmic, PopOS and their entire company. Own goal there by System76.
At the same time Linus is making questionable choices at best. Asking ChatGPT for distro advice may be the "normie" thing to do right now (although I'm not too sure about that), but it's not the smart thing to do and it did lead him down a bad path. On top of that installing his OS at a LAN party when people are waiting for him to play a game is just dumb and makes this entire the entire thing seem like a bad faith attempt.
With that said, Valve are to blame for not making sure their old games all work perfectly on Linux out of the box.
They are going the way normies would, which includes asking the LLM of choice for a recommendation. But as they just regurgitate listicles inhaled from the web, that is what you get.
Bazzite and Cachy are the more sane choices, though Luke is by no means counting as a Linux noob
I mean, I get it, but I kind of reject the premise. Normies don't install operating system, period. Not Windows and not Linux.
What's the point of Linus playing dumb here? What's the point of him always seeming to install Linux when he's pressed for time at a LAN party or before needing to leave? Has he ever done a video where he approaches using Windows as if he was a caveman who never witnessed electricity before?
It's really starting to feel like a bad faith attempt...
This is the self-proclaimed "tech tips" guy we're talking about. If you're knowledgeable enough to know what Linux is and why you might want to install it, you should be knowledgeable enough to not trust "listicles" (often produced by LLMs today) and LLMs (trained on outdated listicles from 10 years ago).
PopOS is a bad choice today. Granted, some of that is the fault of System76, as imho, Cosmic really isn't really for prime time. But I think most people with any reasonable knowledge of Linux would probably not recommend it right now. Like, if they had asked Wendel from LevelOneTechs, I seriously doubt he would have recommended it...
At the same time Linus is making questionable choices at best. Asking ChatGPT for distro advice may be the "normie" thing to do right now (although I'm not too sure about that), but it's not the smart thing to do and it did lead him down a bad path.
I mean that’s kinda the point. They’re noobs, they don’t know what’s right from wrong. People who don’t know right from wrong are likely to go down the wrong path.
IMO Linux’s biggest issue with normal people uptake is choice. Normal people don’t want 7000 options. It also makes diagnosing problems all the more harder.
I mean that’s kinda the point. They’re noobs, they don’t know what’s right from wrong. People who don’t know right from wrong are likely to go down the wrong path.
Ok. But that's a personal problem, not a Linux problem. In the end of the day if you're relying on "listicles" and LLMs to make basic decisions for you (for just about anything, frankly) you're going to have a bad time.
PopOS is a bad and outdated recommendation right now, because they have literally just switched to Cosmic, a brand new desktop environment that just came out of beta a few months ago. I would argue that it should still be in beta right now, and I do think that System76 made a mistake by calling the current version 1.0, but in the end of the day ChatGPT predictably gave Linus a bad recommendation, because that's what LLMs do.
If you go to ChatGPT for tech advice, legal advice, medical advice, or even something as computationally friendly as solving math problems, you're probably making a mistake. That's an "AI" problem, not a "Linux" problem. Use your brain and stop relying on "AI" to think for you.
IMO Linux’s biggest issue with normal people uptake is choice. Normal people don’t want 7000 options. It also makes diagnosing problems all the more harder.
I disagree. Choice and competition is generally good, as it means that different kinds of people with different use cases can have their needs met.
IMO Windows' biggest issue is the lack of choice, in the sense that computers are treated as one-size-fits-all systems where your grandma is expected to use the same computing environment as a professional software developer, which ultimately leads to a system that's not ideal for either of them. Why are we gaming on the same OS that people at the tire store are running? Would we be surprised to find that is holding computing back?
In the end of the day, choice is good, lack of choice is bad.
People have 7000 choices of food, but it doesn't stop most people from finding something to eat for breakfast. People have 7000 choices for transportation, but it doesn't stop them from getting where they need to go in a way that suits them.
It's not hard to get a good recommendation of what Linux distro to use today if you just ask someone who knows what they're talking about.
What are you on about? People absolutely do get decision paralysis choosing what to eat or what car or bicycle to buy. And those come with budget constraints. The trouble with Linux distros is that you can afford literally any of them!
You're looking at this as a power user. Normies don't want to have to make decisions.
Agreed. Also, they did include their own mistakes in the video (first telling about problems but then later saying that it was their own fault). You could just not include that in the video since it's pointless info about Linux when you yourself did the mistake. I think all of this in combination is meant to subtly influence viewers for "Linux = expect problems". And since LTT is generally more on the entertainment side and less on the factual/trustworthy side, and still very well-known, it could also mean that they're being paid to spread a little bit of that FUD.
On the other hand, genuinely newbie Linux users can definitely reveal some bugs or problems which might not have occurred otherwise. It's like running a fuzzer that tests the ability of a program to deal with lots of random and nonsensical input. Because some of those Windows gamers sure have some questionable habits when interacting with their PC.
Also, it shows that genuine newbies maybe need more guidance from their distro to break certain Windows habits. For example, how to install drivers (you don't because they should be there already) and applications (you shouldn't download them from the manufacturer's websites as a 1st priority). Somehow, these Windows-user friendly distributions never really include hints like that, even though that's a completely different paradigm of using the OS.
The part of the video that’s unspoken is that he spends most of his time trashing Pop!_OS
It's Pop!_OS that trashes itself in front of the camera. You people were recommending it for gaming for years, then Linus shown the actual experience.
And now you ignore, that LTT vid had shown Bazzite expreince as well, but boo hoo, Pop is bad therefore Linus bad, we hate LTT together.
Linux has worst, most tribal community in any sense possible. Any criticism ends up with hate and silent downvotes.
I used to really dig Linus, i watched from NCIX up until a few years ago. I stopped watching for a bunch of reasons. I remember when he said one of the things he wanted to do when starting a company was ensure everyone that worked for him could "afford a house", then to see how he treated people and kept them at low wages was a bummer.
I mean, i guess when you grow that big that fast some things get left out, but i also feel like maybe exponential growth isn't always a necessity?
Also it seems like he's one of the only personalities online that has not increased in technical ability at all.
Its a wild video tbh. Switching your OS on your own LAN which you organize? This is already a high stress situation and then he expect it to just work out of the box with barely any time or patience to give it a fair try. If a Linux veteran would do this for shits and giggles as just a guest things still could have gone wrong but he probably would have atleast the experience to fix things.
But this isnt even a Linux issue. Imagine installing Win11 for the very first time without decades of Windows experience because you are eg a Mac user. The chances are pretty high that something goes wrong and you wouldnt have any clue how to fix them in like half an hour.
Normalizing the use of ChatGPT for decisions doesnt sit with me well in general. But especially for Linux stuff its such a bad choice. I may be a luddite and AI hater. But i actually have tried those damn chatbots and they fucking suck for Linux questions. Their answers are more often than not atleast missleading, outright wrong and sometimes just outdated.
I could shit on linux all day for all the real issues it has. But at some point i just skipped every Linus segment because it was unbearable to watch his antics.
The segments with Luke and the helmet guy were pretty good tough.
He does it this way in order to make Linux look bad. It's happened so many times this way, I don't know why people don't see it. He either approaches it like a complete noob and deliberately makes mistakes that anyone that's used a computer for as long as he has wouldn't think of making, or he has some "disaster" that he blames on Linux.
Then he does his "more in sorrow than anger" schpiel where he pats the Linux devs on the head and thanks them for trying but too bad they failed miserably, he was really hoping they'd do better this time. Oh, well, back to Windows I guess. Just wait for the cheque from Satya to show up in the post.
Downvote away, you LTT bumboys. At this point, between the way he runs his business and his examples of blatant theivery, if you're still a fan of this chucklefuck, I don't know if you're worth saving.
He's a bumbling moron in everything he does. I don't know if it's a schtick or if it's just how he is. You have to be pretty technologically illiterate to take any cues from him.
Imagine installing Win11 for the very first time without decades of Windows experience because you are eg a Mac user.
Actually funny thing, I have a pretty minimal amount of windows experience, and basically 0 windows 11 experience (my use of windows computers was basically flash games back when I was a kid, and IT classes, which boiled down to launching office apps or codeblocks), and as the resident "computer person" of the family I usually end up having to fix various issues for them. Which ends up with me looking up very basic things for like 30 minutes that I can do in linux with 'muscle memory" in 30 seconds all the time :3
Which is all to say this is an apt comparison and a real issue
It's not an apt comparison because Windows doesn't use apt for packages 😉
Ugh...not gonna watch it anyway, but I hate it in general when a content creator with the stereotypical Linux user characteristics (nerdy, tech-savvy), but without the more important requirements (patient, willing to learn, adaptable) produces this kind of content.
Like most “tech” journalists 😬
LTT is garbage. Remember when they made news by not backing up their stuff and lost it all on some homemade nas?
Actual amateur mistake lol, and they make a lot of money from that channel so there's really no excuse
They're SUPPOSED to know tech!
Imagine still watching LTT when he almost ruined a startup because he didn't want to spend 400 bucks worth of employees time for testing the product properly.
Literally a fucking trash human that doesn't give a single flying fuck about other people.
Tech slop... Blech
Let's not give attention to whiners and saboteurs like this. We all already know what's going on behind the curtains, and we all can tell that this video is being done in bad faith.
The evidence you've presented is truly overwhelming
Every time he does this it’s just an astounding admission that Linus actually doesn’t understand computers at all. He’s good at Windows.
What did he do that is so wrong this time? As always, he approaches it like someone that doesn't know Linux intimately and are not technical enought to rtfm, so I don't understand why it is you guys are expecting newbies to act like they're used to Linux all of a sudden?
He installed beta quality software and expected it to work without issue. Then when it didn’t he declared himself “cursed”. It’s not a curse, he’s just a fool.
He's approaching it as someone new to Linux. Nobody that new would know it as beta quality software when it's presented as the main download from the website. Calling newbies a fool for not following Linux news is just classic Linux elitism.
Ok, fair enough. Pop OS, once again, should be ashamed. It’s pretty egregious that they don’t make it very clear that this is beta (maybe even alpha) quality software.
So, as a normal person, when an OS isn’t working and has a bunch of bugs, wouldn’t the correct response be to try another OS? Especially when your friends aren’t having the issues you’re having. He’s tried Pop twice now, and both times, the clowntown devs have caused him headaches. Maybe try another OS and stop shitting on Linux as a whole because of Pop OS.
The problem with Linus is that he views himself as an expert in computers when really he’s just decent at Windows. He knows basically nothing about anything but DOS derived OSes. Give him something POSIX and he’s completely lost. He acts worse than a newbie, because a newbie at least knows that they know nothing.
I didn't watch the video but... Why TF did he choose Pop! OS with Cosmic Desktop‽ That's not something a non-technical user would choose. That's like... Beta software (Cosmic) running on a Linux distro made and tested for very specific hardware sold by System76.
That's like trying to put wheels made for a truck on a random sedan. Like, yeah you can do that with a bit of effort but why? It makes no sense.
If you're going to put a Linux distro on random hardware pick something universal and stable that was made to run on random hardware like Kubuntu/Ubuntu. Especially if you're new to Linux.
Also, if you're going to do something ridiculous like this why not just start with Gentoo? Don't use the GUI installer either! Go the LFS+ route and take care picking your file systems and compile flags 😁
BTW: Out of all the random people I've ever known to "try Linux", the ones who had the best first-time experience all used KDE (Plasma) as their desktop. That means Kubuntu, Bazzite, or SteamOS. For newbies, always go with KDE. Seriously: Its interface for settings and the launcher are familiar enough to both Windows and Mac users that they don't have a hard time while also being different enough that they don't make bad assumptions about how things work (which is a problem for Gnome).
I have sympathy for the point he was making to say it is really difficult to choose correctly and that guides can point people in confusing directions. And veterans who advocate taking the difficult path can make it more confusing.
But he needs to stop acting like a noob and be the tech guru he claims to be. He needs to contribute to the conversation by saying "it can be difficult to choose as a beginner.....but here are 3 good options.... Mint, Bazzite, etc etc". He can even cover the common pitfalls for beginners and oddities of Linux misbehaving with certain hardware and how one can go about resolving the issues.
I wasn't outraged at his first video as many others were years ago. But running a tech media company, having truckloads of expertise in house, supposedly wanting to support self-hosting and framework laptops, etc......and then doing this shit.....come on man.
At this point Pewdiepie has done more for Linux than LTT has.
Why TF did he choose Pop! OS with Cosmic Desktop‽
Because he emulated an average user and asked ChatGPT. And everyone hates him for trying to look at things from non expert perspective now.
A lot of the hate in this thread seems unfounded. While this video touches on some things that the community is insecure about, I think it does a good job of providing relevant and true facts that someone considering the switch should know:
For someone not sure which distro to choose, they get:
- a warning about listicles and llms being unreliable resources
- a warning about a distro that is commonly recommended for gamers that has made the unfortunate decision to ship beta software in a release labeled as stable
- a showing of two better alternatives
For someone wondering about game compatibility, they learn:
- proton db is a useful resource, and if an online multiplayer game says "borked" you're not going to get it working. If that's a deal breaker for you then you should stop here
- for a good gaming experience outside steam deck you're going to need to be comfortable with setting launch flags. If that's a deal breaker, stop here
- Other than the borked one, all games they tried got running without more hassle than some launch flags that were easily found in proton db. I would actually call this charitable since they didn't need to mess with different proton versions at all which is common
For someone who has used Linux on servers at work, but hasn't tried it as a primary desktop they learn:
- you are Luke, if nothing above was a deal breaker, you'll do fine
For someone who has never used Linux at all they learn:
- Don't pick pop os like Linus
- if you pick bazzite like Elija and nothing above is a deal breaker, you'll be alright
All of this information is valuable, relevant, true, and important for someone to be aware of before they dive in. I say all this as a gamer that's been playing exclusively on Linux for over a year now. It is not an experience without friction, to me that friction is worth it. If someone else doesn't think it's worth it, I'd rather they not switch right now, rather than switch and have a bad time. Maybe in a couple years Valve will be able to reduce the friction in the broader ecosystem the way they did on the deck. Until then it's better not to bring people in that are going to be unhappy with the current state.