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"In China, BYD is currently building 4,000 1.5MW charging stations across the country, with plans to roll out 20,000 by the end of this year.

Although not quite as ambitious, a BYD spokesperson for the European side of the business told me that the company is targeting 2,000 1.5mW Flash Charging stations across Europe before 2026 comes to a close."

I'm fascinated by the economics of this. How does BYD make money on this? Do they run the chargers at a profit? How much will this work out per km for drivers compared to diesel or gasoline?

People think of BYD as a budget car marker, but this to support its luxury brand Denza. The Denza Z9 GT EV has a range of 1,036 km (644 miles) on these chargers. I'm guessing having the best charagers is going to be seen as premium/luxury too.

'Ready in 5, full in 9' — this Chinese EV charges to 70% in only 5 minutes, has a 644-mile range, and it's coming to Europe in April

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 23 hours ago

the company is targeting 2,000 1.5mW Flash Charging stations across Europe before 2026 comes to a close

Wow 1.5 mW, I wonder if they use 1 cm^2 solar cells to feed them.

But seriously how did nobody catch this.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

1.5 Milliwatts? Are these meant for ant cars?

[–] 69420@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

You'll need at least three times more power than this.

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

ROFL a typical marketing stunt.

Here in Germany that won‘t work as the bottleneck is the connection to the power grid. Especially when it comes to high power demands. You need thick cables for those power volumes. And those cables do not just arrive over night magically.

The specialists for those connection are rare and we have a hige waiting queue until 2030 for solar parks, battery parks, and some new electricity stations. Was the high demand foreseeable? Yes. Unfortunately in capitalism scarcity increases value which is good for the stakeholder/ doormen of utility companies.

[–] x1gma@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

2000 across Europe is not that many, and not every European country slept on infrastructure and electric mobility as we did.

Given that most flagship electric vehicles currently charge at 300-350kW max, and at least in Germany 300kW HPCs are pretty much the top end, 1.5MW are pretty damn impressive. Would be pretty sick to have that charging available for daily use.

[–] Marthirial@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Perhaps. All I care is more options so people stop buying Teslas when they realize the shitbox is like two toasters tied together with twine compared to what China is doing with EVs

[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The way I read it is that it's the dedicated charging stations in public areas, as opposed to charging points running off a domestic energy supply in the driveway.

With that, most of the CCS T2 tethered chargers have big chonky boi cables, so much so that they're quite unwieldy without the gantries holding some of them up.

Fast chargers are brilliant mind. I use a 75KW charger on a trunk road next to a coffee shop, and it's generally gone from 30% to 80% in 25-35 mins - enough time to get a coffee, read some text messages, get into the headspace of hitting the road again and disconnecting it. Thing is, the fast chargers aren't far off petrol prices at 70-85p/KWh.

Something like a five minute charge would be quite something, perhaps makes long distance EV travelling more comfortable.

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Something like a five minute charge would be quite something, perhaps makes long distance EV travelling more comfortable.

Or the batteries are getting bigger (which they do). But in this scenario there won’t be a business and money to earn. Many people would fuel their car with cheap solar power produced by theirselves.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 points 23 hours ago

Yes, but it is already difficult connecting a new EV charging installation with a good number of 350kW chargers in busy places. Your domestic electricity supply is probably about 60A at 230V, meaning a maximum of 13.8kW per home. 1.5MW is the total maximum electricity demand of about 100 homes, but the actual average usage is more like 300W power home, so 1.5MW is more like 4,900 homes - a small town.

An installation at a service station with a modest 6 chargers would be 9MW, which is more than the power capacity of the median power plant in the UK (which is 5-6MW)

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Feels like you could potentially partially mitigate that by having on-site batteries that “slow charge” from the grid, and then fast charge the cars.

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is what they do for solar farms. Due to low volume connection issues and its financially more attractive to feed power in the evening/ sun down as prices are higher at those times.

I‘m not sure how viable this is for loading stations. They volume a truck needs is quite massive. However, Im still not sure if you ever need a truck full charge. Typically, long distance trucks stop at night for a sleep. This 8 hrs can be used for loading the battery.

For sure, but in this case the batteries are not primarily for storage, just to act as a super capacitor (or maybe that’s actually what you need, super capacitors) so you don't have to support massive cabling from the power station to the charging station, just from the on-site batteries to the car.

[–] Kushan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

How does BYD make money on this

The same way Tesla makes money with their own supercharger network - they sell cars and electric via the chargers.

The reason BYD is building these specific chargers is because their future cars will be able to use them to charge at insane speeds but only if a charger can handle it. Right now most "fast" chargers max out at about 350kW, even the bran d new ones. There's a few omising 400kW or even 500kW but BYD is marketing cars that can do 1000kW.

They need some chargers to exist so they can sell those cars, it's better for them to start building it than waiting years for the rest of the industry to catch up.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does charging that fast reduce the life of the batteries?

[–] WanderingThoughts 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Probably not much. So far from studies it seems fast charging at worst causes 2% degradation. BYD put a lot of high tech in that battery for longevity.

The BYD Blade 2.0 is engineered for extreme longevity, supporting over 3,000 charging cycles. This translates to a total vehicle mileage lifespan of approximately 1.2 million kilometers

[–] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Damn. That's 750,000 miles in Freedom* Units. Too bad they'll never be allowed to sell to the US.

[–] WanderingThoughts 4 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, the German car manufacturing sector is having a "Oh come on!" moment over this.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 2 points 23 hours ago

Knowing nothing about these specific setups, but knowing how charging lithium ion and LiFePO4 batteries work and my own experience with charging at different rates, yes.

It definitely reduces the battery life to jam that much current in and out of it, the higher rate you charge, the less accurately you'll get to 100% charge, and you don't want to overcharge or repeatedly undercharge it. This will more rapidly degrade the battery.

That said, with battery prices plummeting, and presumably only doing this when you absolutely NEED the charge ASAP, it might be worth it to have the ability to charge that fast.

Plus it would make for some sick EV racing, when you have set battery sizes and 10-30 second pit stops for more power being part of the race.

[–] lemmysmash@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, 1.5 milliwatts doesn't sound a lot... But seems like for TECH(sic!)radar somehow it does.

[–] Lugh@futurology.today 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, it should be 1.5 MW. I corrected the headline.

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I want to believe BYD. But my Civic is 20 years old and still idles like a purring cat. I would like 1 year/£1k spent and I don't have faith im getting that in a BYD. 20k for a Dolphin Surf is a minimum 20 year car, and I just don't see it.

Granted my Civic wasnt bought new, it was brought for £1300 a year ago and I could probably get another 100k miles out of it. Im almost certain that the new market is outside £1k/year budget, bunch of old Leafs around though.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, other than "used cars are cheaper than new cars, and I won't buy a new car until that changes".

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure. My point is that I don't believe BYD makes cars that will last as long as I would want them to last.

I want to believe BYD. But my Civic is 20 years old and still idles like a purring cat. I would like 1 year/£1k spent and I don't have faith im getting that in a BYD. 20k for a Dolphin Surf is a minimum 20 year car, and I just don't see it.

Dolphin Surf is 20k, for me I would like it to last 20 years. My current car has already survived 20 years, so I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. I don't believe the dolphin surf will last 20 years.

I could have been more clear.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's fair.

They do seem a bit more on the discount side, quality wise. But then again, lots of the usual discount cars, also don't make it much past 10-15 years. My Nissan Micra is 11 years, and there is no way it'll still be driving in 9 years, might not even survive the next 2.

[–] Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 2 points 1 day ago

£1k/1y is both an easy and challenging target to hit. It's really easy to hit at the bottom end, bouncing from £500 lemon to the next. Occasionally finding a gem that'll last a few years.

Nearly impossible to hit on a new car though I think. 20 years for 20k I don't think is findable beyond winning the lottery on a well made car, from a well designed model, from a reliability focused manufacturer, and giving it an easy life.