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Map of the various sign languages spoken across Turtle Island, excluding Francosign languages. Plains Sign Language is labelled in red as Hand Talk

Plains Indian Sign Language (PISL), also known as Hand Talk, Plains Sign Talk, Plains Sign Language, or First Nation Sign Language, is an endangered sign language common to the majority of Indigenous nations of North America, notably those of the Great Plains, Northeast Woodlands, and the Great Basin. It was, and continues to be, used across what is now central Canada, the central and western United States and northern Mexico. This language was used historically as a lingua franca, notably for international relations, trade, and diplomacy; it is still used for story-telling, oratory, various ceremonies, and by deaf people for ordinary daily use.

In 1885, it was estimated that there were over 110,000 "sign-talking Indians", including Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Sioux, Kiowa, and Arapaho. As a result of the European colonization of the Americas, most notably including American boarding and Canadian residential schools, the number of sign talkers has declined sharply. However, growing interest and preservation work on the language has increased its use and visibility in the 21st century. Historically, some have likened its more formal register, used by men, to Church Latin in function. It is primarily used today by Elders and Deaf citizens of Indigenous nations.

History

Hand Talk's history is intimately associated with both ancient and recent petroglyphs of the continent, however, little is known to academia about Plains Sign Talk's historical antecedents. The earliest records of contact between Europeans and Indigenous peoples of the Gulf Coast region in what is now Texas and northern Mexico note a fully-formed sign language already in use by the time of the Europeans' arrival there. These records include the accounts of Cabeza de Vaca in 1527 and Coronado in 1541.

Signing may have started in the south of North America, perhaps in northern Mexico or Texas, and only spread into the Plains in recent times, though this suspicion may be an artifact of European observation. It is known that there is a complex of Maya sign languages called Meemul Chʼaabʼal or Meemul Tziij in the Kʼicheʼ language, but it is unknown to what extent Meemul Tziij has affected Hand Talk.

The Northwest is home to Plateau Sign Language, which is either a single language or a family of sign languages spoken by the local nations. It is also unknown how associated Plateau Sign Language is with Hand Talk, but it is probable that they are related. Although it is still spoken, especially by the Ktunaxa, the Plateau nations historically shifted to using Chinook Jargon instead

In recent years, the Oneida Nation has taken steps to revive their sign language. Historically, the nations of the Northeast Woodlands, like the Haudenosaunee, spoke a variant of Hand Talk. The Oneida Sign Language Project officially began in 2016, and more signs are being added to this day.

Geography

Sign language use has been documented across speakers of at least 37 spoken languages in twelve families, spread across an area of over 2.6 million square kilometres (1 million square miles). In recent history, it was highly developed among the Crow, Cheyenne, Arapaho and Kiowa, among others, and remains strong among the Crow, Cheyenne and Arapaho.

Melanie R. McKay-Cody, a Cherokee Deaf woman and Hand Talk speaker/researcher, motions that "Plains" Sign Language is actually a family of inter-related languages extending beyond the Great Plains. She breaks down the regional languages as: Northeast Hand Talk (including Oneida Sign Language), Plains Sign Language, Great Basin Sign Language (spoken, for example, by the Ute), and Southwest Hand Talk. She also notes a West Coast language spoken by the Chumash, and she advances the idea that Inuit Sign Language has some relation to this complex of manual North American Indigenous languages. Unmentioned is Coast Salish Sign Language. Within each of these languages, she explains that nations will themselves have specific dialects, such as the Blackfoot.

Southwest Hand Talk is spoken by the Navajo, Hopi, Apache, and Pueblo peoples. However, amongst the Navajo and Keres people, there are two unrelated sign languages also spoken: Keresan Sign Language and, by a Navajo clan with a large number of deaf members, Navajo Family Sign. Likewise, Plateau Sign Language may or may not be related to Hand Talk.

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I think the local jazz station has been playing more blues since Sinners came out, and I'm not complaining

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

That feeling when a family member you respected says something racist about immigration and all that respect dies in an instant

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[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Was talking to the social worker helping my dad back in Texas today, she was telling me about the workers helping him, and very casually added that one of them is black, unprompted, for no apparent reason.

puzzled

I do not miss Texas lmao

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

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[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 2 points 8 hours ago

I think this is like, an older gen x/boomer thing too. I'm from California and my parents and partners parents do that shit too. My parents are trump lovers and his parents are libs but they just HAVE to throw it in there. Like y'all we live in one of the most diverse cities in the state if not nation aren't you used to being around people who aren't white by now

[–] Wmill@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

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This daily thread comment is me weaseling out of the self rule and thank goodness chapo makes you wait for human review to get an account.

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Just remembered Joe Biden and the Dilbert guy have cancer lol

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[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 8 points 15 hours ago

I fixed the stupid pesticide jug with the built in pump. In case anyone else gets a spectracide flip & go home defense thing and turns it sideways and the pump stops pumping pesticide and googling it is fucking worthless, the top part screws off and I just idk ran hot water over it while pressing the pump button and it started working again

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Cleaned out a half gallon jug no one was using in my house, gonna be filling it in the morning with smoothies every morning. Been making oatmeal with peanut butter, whatever canned fruit I got, and some soy milk/water. The training class for I'm doing is pretty much you can take breaks but if I do this it'll give me more time to study and get some extra notes in. I'm not in the soylent shake stage yet but damn if I'm not getting there besides I'll eat solid food when I get home.

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I still hold that "at least three" was an incredibly cool and good answer to that question (even though he didn't mean it in a cool and good way)

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For the longest time I was convinced Steph Curry was 5'7" and was so impressed that he played professionally against all those giant men

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[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

while misgendering is on my mind idk if i posted about it but shout out to the time my dad was like "you know she's a girl dog" the time i called my dad's dog buddy jesse-wtf

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I absolutely, 100% reject the idea that buddy is gendered.

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

i think it's real dumb, the guy's a transphobe anyway so it's like for real you really wanna say i misgendered your dog??

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