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I think that you're living you life in an incredibly boring consumptive way if you even have an opinion or care about this movie.

You don't have to watch every movie. Thousands of terrible movies come out every year, just don't watch them. If someone makes a bad movie. How would that personally affect me? Unless I was strapped down and forced to watch it. Who cares.

You making this thread and getting people talking about the movie is you low key doing marketing for the movie, whether you like it or not any attention is attention.

So so congrats on going out of your way to market this movie that you don't have to watch or think about.

Fuck everything about this movie

I think its right amount of woke.

I personally dont like these kind of things.

I havent and dont intend to watch this or pieces like Oppenheimer or Monster series. I can watch legit documentaries of Dahlmer or unabomber, but i find it to be poor taste to make entertainment from things like that.

You're not too woke. You're to green and innocent though. Movies glorifying pedophiles shouldn't surprise you. Trumps wife just got her own movie ffs.

The people with power like this stuff and want us to like it too.

The thought of white washing MJ is kind of hilarious

I couldn't care less about it myself. More trash for the dumpster fire of American culture.

I thought everything against MJ was pretty much determined to be completely fabricated by a physiologist convincing kids that they "remembered" things that never really happened?

To be clear, I am, and have always been a punk rocker/metal head, so I couldn't give a rats ass about the king of pop.

But he always struck me as very much on the spectrum, of course not when I was growing up, since it wasn't a thing back then, but I find it very unlikely he did the things he was accused of.

I could be wrong, but it felt like a cash grab by the parents.

The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of us all.

Get off your high horse.

Hate it because its Hollywood trash, not because its about michael Jackson.

I mean Thomas Jefferson is on the 5 dollar bill. Do you abstain from $5bills because he sold some of his black children into slavery? (Google it, he did)

(Edit, meant $2 bill)

My son is a big cinephile, and we watch a LOT of movies, but I am also a history guy, so my son knows that I really don't like biopics, or films that portray some historical event. Invariably, Hollywood decisions outweigh historical accuracy, and the result is usually impossible for me to tolerate. I would rather see a boring portrayal of the actual events, than an exciting rewrite.

MJ and I are the exact same age, and I grew up LOVING his music. The allegations were shocking, and I studied every interview and watched every documentary and news coverage of it that I could. Today, I can't really say I trust either side. I see problems with the accusers, I see problems with the accused. Lawyers advise their clients to settle all the time - "It's not personal, it's just business." I've been on the receiving end of that "advice," and it's hard to hear, because you know people will always see it as an admission of guilt, and not "just business."

So while I abandoned Bill Cosby (another heartbreaker I grew up with) I've decided to keep listening to MJ. We will never know the entire story, but I know enough that the accusations have a LOT of problems, and I'm not willing to throw MJ aside for that.

So while I am still a big (but conflicted) fan, I probably won't watch the film, and if I do, I won't be taking it seriously.

Personally I find all celebrity biopics disgusting.

I mean, it would be different if these things tended to actually be honest deeply researched analyses done by hard-nosed experts (which would probably mean they would be spectacularly boring as movies and better as articles or books) and if celebrity status was highly correlated to the greatness of one's achievements for society rather than to being well known because of practicing a very public profession (so, featuring more of, for example, Great Scientists and fewer Star Musicians and Movie Stars), but in the current society, celebrity biopics are fantasy spectacles about people whose fame is due to nothing else than being a competent professional in showbiz.

That in itself doesn't make the biopics "disgusting" but the recent abundance of them does add up to too much to of an overly sweet low-nutrition thing the point of being stomach turning, IMHO.

This is the one sex allegation I just don't believe.

And its a biopic so... It wouldn't matter who it was about. Shit... I'd watch a biopic about Epstein. I'd still hate the fucker at the end.

I've never been a fan of Michael Jackson and have no intentions of seeing the movie but I do know a die-hard Michael Jackson fan who went to see the movie and he said the movie was pretty awful.

We will never have the truth in our entire lives. But! I kind of see how MJ could actually not be a pedo, but just a special flavor of weirdo.

Imagine that you are born into a family of 8 (2 came shortly after) that live in 2 bedroom home. Paretns are working class and an oppressed minority, so are you. At age 5 parents put you in a family band where they forced you to play and punished for mistakes made during rehearsals and performances. Time goes by. Your band becomes a sensation. You are the front man. You grow out of it and go solo. You are consistently the most famous artist. All eyes on you. Everyone knows each and every step you make, in tiny details.

All that while your childhood was spent never having own corner, never having time to play with other children. You are constantly performing everywhere. Your life is not like "the other kids".

Now you are famous as hell with a millions to your name. You can do pretty much anything. And you, of course, might get that feeling of wasted time that you probably can catch up with. You attempt to create a real Neverland, spend tons of time with children, try to make their lives magical and wonderful. You do things for childer that you've dreamed you'd like to have when you were a child yourself. BUT you are at the age of 30 and every one assumes that you diddle children. Which, again, might be true. We cant possibly deny false accusations in favor of getting rich by settlements. And that baby over the balcony didnt help either.

I, honestly, feel bad for him. Great musician, vocals are top notch and unmatched. Dancing moves out of this world. Great showmanship. Terrible personal life full of abuse, discrimination, specualtions, accusations, failed childhood. Poor guy. He was fucked up in head. Maybe not in pedofilic way. But he was certainly not fine. All that life experience plus super likely drug abuse since we are talking about show biz.