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[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 273 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Resistive heaters still suck though because Heat pumps give you 200-400% efficiency. So heating wise, “100%” still less than maximally efficient.

(Not a violation of thermodynamics btw. Heat pumps use electricity to move heat energy that already exists, so the electric power in is often significantly smaller than the heat coming out of the device)

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 410 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Did someone say heat pumps?

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 164 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm so happy this man nerded out about heat pumps for a few hours.

But now, all I see is inferior heaters.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's the burden of knowledge

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[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago

And this one is….. 1600 watts. Surely this “large” room heater will be……. Siiiixxxxteen hundred watts.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Who is that? I love heat pumps too and would happily listen to someone talk about them for hours

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

boy are you one of today's lucky 10,000!

[–] EvenOdds@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you mean lucky 10,000?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Search YouTube or revanced or whatever other free service for Technology connections, also the alt channel Technology Connextras.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

I watched his video on renewable energy and it was awesome. That ending was very unexpected but he killed it. Thanks for the info

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago
[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

This man managed to make a 30 minute video about door stoppers that I watched to the end

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[–] UninvestedCuriosity@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

This man taught us that heaters are indeed about as efficient as you can get in turning energy into heat through a little thing called resistance.

[–] Custard@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hey that's the guy I see once a year at Christmas time!

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[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

His videos are why I got a heat pump water heater instead of a standard one when mine died. I figure in summer I can hook the exhaust duct up to my hvac and get a bit of free air conditioning out of it, since I don't have AC yet. Tiny extra bonus piped straight to my bedroom.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Resistive heaters still suck though

  • Resistive heaters are much more portable and flexible. (edit: and quiet)
  • Resistive heaters are a viable backup when heat pumps fail in extremely cold weather.
  • Resistive heaters are less money upfront for if you only have to use them occasionally.

One is not directly beneath the other. Both have their place.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fair enough, do we need to extend this heater solidarity to combustibles as well?

I mean technically they’re infinitely electrically efficient if you don’t use electricity to start them lol

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 weeks ago

For niche cases like when you're on a camping trip and made a campfire

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

They're not 100% either, they make noises and emit light. That's loss

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[–] SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Strictly speaking that's not efficiency, but a coefficient of performance.

And funny enough the work energy doesn't even have to be electricity. It's actually mechanical energy, that is required and you could even power a heat pump with a steam or diesel engine.

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[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 85 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Every electric device is a heater. Some just do other things too.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

A brushless motor only converts ~5% of its input to heat. That's low enough that you can reasonably call it a side effect.

Now, a computer, that's a heater that happens to produce math as a side effect. 100% of its input ends up as heat.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Also a question of optimizing its use

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[–] antsu@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not well-versed on this topic, but doesn't the AC frequency cause alternating fields in the heating element, making it vibrate slightly? If that's correct, then you're losing an incredibly stupidly tiny amount of energy as sound too.

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 60 points 2 weeks ago

Even sound energy eventually ends up as heat, though!

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

And that satisfying glow is losses as light, which will do some heating, but not as efficiently

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[–] edinbruh@feddit.it 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Isn't some energy still dissipated as light instead of heat?

[–] Noved@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Which travels to a location, hits it and is eventually converted to heat.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Isn't there also visible, non heating light coming off them.?

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[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Yep, every electric device is a toaster, some are just super inefficient at it.

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[–] cass27@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Noise would be a small but non-zero form of heat loss that shouldn't contribute to temperature increase

[–] dz2@sopuli.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

Noise would turn in to heat as it’s absorbed, so it’s just heat with extra steps. Same deal with lights

[–] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago

The entropy machine has a 100% efficiency

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] weastie@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, that little buzz / hum is technically lost energy

[–] bebabalula@feddit.dk 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, if you want to go all “technically” on this, then that sound technically dissipates as heat when it is absorbed by the interior of the room.

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[–] 33550336@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Even if the heater's energy partially is not wasted by a sound, it certainly is by generating magnetic field.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

A heat pump will drop to 100% efficiency in cold enough weather.

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[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 17 points 1 week ago

induction losses:

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Software engineers fixing a prod-down bug on Friday afternoons operate at 100%

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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Is a heating element actually 100% efficient, though?

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Some of the energy is converted to light.

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

100% of the energy is converted to light, its just in the IR spectrum.

Unless u feed the heater with AC power then you are also generating magnetic fields/radio waves....but those are also just photons (light) with a very long wavelengh.....

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