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A New Anarchist FAQ: An Introduction to Anarchy in the 21st Century (raddle.me)
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It is an attempt at a crowdsourced alternative to An Anarchist FAQ, mainly aiming to eliminate any biases by having multiple people write this work.

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Short version:

  1. No that's a straw man. There are too many cool options for how to solve that problem, and no i cant explain every detail of my ideal society at its peak to you, because im not the god queen of it, and i want everyone to have a say.

  2. We tend to propose starting by not putting so many of our combined resources towards doing the bad thing on purpose, then finding the reasons why the bad thing happens and fixing those.

  3. Can i get some of what you're smoking? It sounds wild.

  4. No. If you touch me with your toothbrush i will scream.

I think that covers all the standard questions and accusations.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

But many people did work on afaq, no?

Edit: what things do you think are biased on afaq? I feel like a link to a critique would help.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Raddle is very post-left. For example:

Anarchists are not leftists, we side with neither monarchy nor republic, dictatorship nor democracy, free market capitalism nor state capitalism. We stand for anarchy. The absolute negation of all authority, including both wings of government.

Like I would argue that the items to the left of the bolded text make anarchists leftists, in the sense that we claim to support (and do support) non-hierarchical modes of living as the classical Left claims to do as well. Of course any serious left-wing anarchists do not want to replicate the left wing of the State. But making that critique and rejecting left unity where it conflicts with our anarchist values does not mean that we're not leftists and that there's nothing to be learned from classical Left literature.

So I would assume that the bias is towards the classical Left. Which...I think that the original FAQ is pretty critical of the classical Left? But a shorter FAQ for outsiders or classical-Left-averse people is still incredibly useful IMO.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 1 week ago

Very informative! Thanks a lot! :)

[–] ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I should have clarified in the post; this is not my opinion, nor am I a participant of Raddle. I just found a cool link that I wanted to share.

According to Raddle,

[An Anarchist FAQ] is written entirely by one man and often pushes a strong Bookchinite perspective, to the point of smearing the anarchist currents that Bookchin rallied against

Again, I don't have much of an opinion on this, as I don't know how much of it is true. I haven't read AFAQ in much detail: I preferred the digestibility of Peter Gelderloos' Anarchy Works.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

nor am I a participant of Raddle.

Nothing about Raddle, or it's creator, deserves any kind of trust.

It's maker, Ziq, was caught red-handed on Raddle using an army of sock-puppet accounts to harass participants and manipulate narratives on Raddle itself - a method they were suspected of using to disrupt and hijack r/anarchism way back when.

They are literally a text-book example of a bad actor.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Yep, they're not exactly trust worthy. It's why I like db0 over Raddle.

Raddle has like 10% of the users and half of them are Ziq's alts.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I started the new FAQ, I can provide direct quotes from the old FAQ to outline its biases if you want. But biases aren't really a problem, that's to be expected in any project, the problem is the vicious smears it directs at anarchists of different schools, and the way it's tries to assert monolithic thought onto anarchy, especially the author's ideology of majoritarianism which he borrows from Murray Bookchin's theories.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for clarifying. That helps a great deal! :)

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't believe every bitter and resentful internet commenter. They're talking about 8 year old drama where I used several accounts to speak out against the politics and behavior of other users (almost all of them tankies) and then told them I did it and apologized. Hardly 'caught red handed'.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

almost all of them tankie

Right, right, Ziq... all the people you hounded and harrassed off r/anarchism (including quite a few of the mods) is now just conveniently tankies (according to you).

I see you still rail against tankies while using the very same underhanded tactics they do... you haven't changed one spot on your coat, have you?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

"Anarchists against me aren't anarchists, they're tankies."

Ziq is a liberal confirmed.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holey moley give it a rest. It had nothing to do with reddit, it was literally Marxist-Leninists who were banning anarchists from raddle forums.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still the same old liar, eh Ziq?

You know what? I'm kinda glad you didn't change - you're still the same old breathing and talking reminder of why we should always be vigilant against raging narcissists hiding under leftist camouflage.

It's not just the tankies and the liberals we should be guarding against - after all... the likes of you are still out there, too.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do I block this dipshit?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's the matter, Ziq? Don't like your past catching up to you?

If I were you I wouldn't like it either.

It's easy, Ziq. Just click on the three little vertical dots underneath this comment, and the option will reveal itself to you in the drop-down menu.

Just remember to do the same for all your sock-puppet accounts, too.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ziq claims to have left this place, wanna place bets until their sockpuppets pop up?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Has anyone actually managed to figure out why Ziq is like that?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

No clue personally, I'm sure we'll never find out.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hi, I'm the one who started the new FAQ. I started it specifically because the old FAQ repeatedly claims anarchy is dedicated to majoritarianism i.e. direct democracy, and because of how readily it smears and dismisses green anarchy, while praising non-anarchists like Murray Bookchin. You can see some examples here: https://raddle.me/wiki/A_New_Anarchist_FAQ_Instructions

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks. I'll check that out. That said, I happen to be in a lot of anarchist groups and read quite a bit in between.

Afaik, the afaq rightfully claims that both direct democracy and consent are legit ways of anarchist group decisionmaking. I'd agree if you said it doesnt shed light of things like qualified majorities which are used in anarcho syndicalism quite a bit.

Am I missing something?

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It says "most anarchists are in favour of direct democracy" i.e. majoritarianism. We're in favour of reaching consensus, not forcing the will of the majority on minorities. That's Bookchin who insists we all obey the will of the majority.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well. Consensus is great but especially in a world where forcing others is commonly taught from early age, at least qualified majority isnt worth completely throwing it out. It feels very harsh to delegitimize the work instead of just criticizing.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

As an anarchist, I don't think it's harsh to throw out systems of domination. It's basically my whole reason for being.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would you agree that systems of domination are a central but not the only opponent of a worthy life?

I think of lack of education for example, taught helplessness as another.

As a practicing anarchist, I see people use domination to fill a void left by former dominating systems and others being held back by learned helplessness. This can lead to the project failing. I dont see how that makes sense. How do the existing anarchist groups you know do it? The ones i know start with consensus but are willing to change it if necessary.

A free society does not just exist from tomorrow but there is a process. This process involves people who have only ever known slavery.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not the type of anarchist who believes there can ever be such a thing as a 'free society'. I see anarchy as a constant fight against domination. I'm not an anarchist because I believe anarchy will create a perfect utopia, I'm an anarchist because when I see domination and oppression, it infuriates me into action. Here's my ode to anarchy: https://raddle.me/wiki/what_anarchy_means

Consensus has to come with freedom of association. When people don't agree on a course of action, they don't need to work together on the project. They can go their separate ways and come back together later on a project where their interests and needs better align. More here: https://raddle.me/wiki/friendship

Accepting structures of domination with the reasoning that compromising our ethics is justified in the service of "a better tomorrow" is how you get the USSR. Ethical compromises don't lead to freedom, they lead to tyranny. I don't have it in me to accept forced obedience in the name of collectivity.

On the other hand, I'm all for adapting methods to fit each unique situation. But I won't personally participate in methods that force conformity.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And thats the point. Everyone can have different opinions. I'm no type of anarchist at all. I'm just myself. I do believe in a world where everyone can be free and I'm willing to put effort into it.

I also dont care in general if we get the ussr back. It was the far superior system to today imo. But of course I would much prefer if we could do it from the bottom up like the many communes that exist today and have, historically.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also dont care in general if we get the ussr back

yikes are we not on the same page or even in the same book..

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 1 week ago

And thats the attitude that keeps us from getting anywhere.

My goals are simple. Nobody starves, nobody goes homeless. Down the line i also dont want animals to be eaten either but thats absolutely nowhere as easy to get a majority on than the other two.

I think you and i differ somewhere on the breakline between social anarchists and individualist anarchists but not sure.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Wait, are you Ziq?

EDIT: It seems so. So, still steadfastly opposed to postmill joining the fediverse? Then you wouldn't need accounts like these to interact :D

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Watch out for Ziq, the mods of anarchist subreddit had to ban them several times for stiring up shit.

And they use sock puppets on raddle.me to mod and comment as other users.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lol you peeps don't realize I used to be a mod in /r/anarchism for more than a decade and was in that sub since 2009. That is to say, I'm familiar with ziq 😅

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Had no idea about that part. But glad to know you're aware of Ziq being weird.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe don't let them spread the lie that I'm banned from r/anarchism when you know first hand it's not true? You know, uphold your own rules about jacketing?

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You did that yourself didn't you? And I honestly haven't kept track of whom they banned since I've been gone.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean you can easily look and see for yourself:

https://old.reddit.com/user/ChanceHappening/

Raddle being prominently linked in r/anarchism's sidebar is another indication they're spreading disinfo.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

OK, then easy to point that out to them like you just did. And people getting their memory wrong on the internet (your anarchist subs did get banned on reddit, which is why you started raddle) is not badjacketing.

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[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

  1. Don't gender me.

  2. I was not banned from r/anarchism.

  3. Raddle's moderator log is completely transparent, you can look at it and see I openly moderate it everyday. I have no reason to use a 'sock puppet' to mod.

  4. If I want to comment anywhere anonymously, I'll do so. I don't need to show you my passport to post on the internet.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I have amended the pronouns to be consistently they/them. My apologies on that front.

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I made an account because someone told me your site was being used to attack me and the FAQ I started.

I'm not against postmill joining the fediverse, I'm against lemmy.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not against postmill joining the fediverse, I'm against lemmy.

By now both piefed and mbin also exist. Anyway why not add apub support to postmill then?

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's foss, go ahead and add it. i don't have the skills to.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why don't you ask the developer to do so?

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's not important to me. Being here has reinforced that. It's as toxic as ever. Also these reasons: https://raddle.me/f/meta/127272/on-federation

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not against postmill joining the fediverse, I'm against lemmy.

OK so you're then reversing that statement because people outside your bubble might be rude to you?

[–] ChanceHappening@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

I'm not reversing that statement. I'm not against it but I'm not enthusiastic about it either and not because people "might be rude to me", but because this technology comes with an ideological component that actively curtails freedom of association, regardless of whatever ceremonial safeguards you claim are in place.

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